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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
naivehottie wrote:

As for prejudice, the only type I agree I have shown is against you as an Independent Chair, as had you been another position I wouldn't have said anything about you wearing a Labour-related badge. So for that I apologise.

As for Labour, I have no prejudice against individuals being Labour, subtly.


Thank you for being honest enough to apologise, I appreciate it.

However, I will not apologise for wearing my politics on my sleeve. As I have said in every election speech I have given, my values are what drives me, get me, get them. Belief in social equality, justice, unionism and redistributive taxation (amongst other things) are my convictions - this is me.

My comments on your reports were as an example of how I afford you professional courtesy and would expect the same in return with respect to judgement.

Although you may not have a 'prejudice' against people being Labour, but given that your primary line of attack in many instances is that 'x' or 'y' is a Labour Student I am less inclined to believe this. In fact, at Birmingham we have a fiercely independent Labour Club, and is often oppositional to many things that NOLS does or attempts to do. They are not one and the same. Cool

Thankyou for reviewing your position on all of this though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tom H wrote:

However, I will not apologise for wearing my politics on my sleeve.

Okay, fair enough I agree with your right to do so, even if I disagree with doing so in that one particular situation of being in the chair. Before everything flared up, my main point was I was disappointed to see factionalism displayed on an Indy Chair. That I'll stand by, but some of the more strongly worded comments I apologise for.

Tom H wrote:

Although you may not have a 'prejudice' against people being Labour, but given that your primary line of attack in many instances is that 'x' or 'y' is a Labour Student I am less inclined to believe this.

I don't like the Labour party I'll agree, at least the way it currently is. However, what I'll say I don't like is the Labour bias of the Guild and the usage of positions as a Labour platform (while it should be allowed, I don't like it).
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Smile Factionalism is an interesting turn of phrase for it, as Cruddas would be an internal party faction. When I wore an amnesty shirt to GC, no one raised the issue. That too has GCers, and is political. I do not see it as factionalism - if it was a labour badge yes, but Cruddas no.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
James, I can't be bothered to quote it but somewhere above you said that you didn't like speeches being used to support the Labour party. Certainly at the last GC none of this happened surely? The first mention of BULS was from Sabrina who thanked the club and Gaz did the same whilst mentioning individuals (one of them was me, does that make me satan?).

A united front has been shown in the executive this year, I have witnessed it in resources meetings. Irene, Sally, Sabrina, Gaz, Peter and Hannah all stood united and admitted it proudly in their speeches, i can only see three labour students there so clearly it has nothing to do with being labour.

Lets talk about issues now please James.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
tomsk wrote:

A united front has been shown in the executive this year, I have witnessed it in resources meetings. Irene, Sally, Sabrina, Gaz, Peter and Hannah all stood united and admitted it proudly in their speeches, i can only see three labour students there so clearly it has nothing to do with being labour.


Lets name names, this is fun...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
pray; james, what are the issues?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
ah, I leave this for ages and there is a good fight!

well, back to the issue of independent chairs being independent - its impossible to be truly independent, so i think we should stop fussing about tom being a labour boy. what matters is that independent chairs ensure that the exec do not act beyond their powers which requires us to look objectively at anything they are doing that may need questioning - and in turn this requires us not to get involved in what they are doing. i mean that in the sense that we don't help/influence decisions but instead remain informed about all the facts, issues etc. there is no way that this means that we can't have opinions and such, and i dont see the problem with tom doing what he did. im not party political but i would not have a problem with fabian or will sitting up there with me showing any affiliation that they have, and if i felt like showing any political support i dont think i should be accused of bias if i did.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Let us just ban clothes and have a standardised robe for all people in GC shall we?

And wigs!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sazzle wrote:
Teapotboy wrote:
JulienP wrote:
OAfter Vale Fest why don't we ask Nick as well while we're at it Very Happy Wink
Exec (not) at Vale Fest disgusted me. And I have a strong stomach


Here's a novel idea - maybe the exec were working or maybe they didnt want to attend an event out of hours?

I think its harsh to criticise they work for practically nothing and work long hours - give them a break once in a while Surprised)


Sorry haven't been on here for ages... I'm sure they would have managed to not be working if they'd had training to do, or a university bigwig to meet and be told what to do by... two things which are IMHO less important than this fantastic charitable event, which should have been supported by the figureheads of the Guild. Regardless of their feelings about the running of it, it achieved more in a single day than the Guild ever will...
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