Guild Council Motions?

lackym · Armchair Activist

Any motions for next weeks GC that are of interest to people?

Pushy Penguin · Black Bloc

The one on guild governance... for god sakes dont let them put it straight to referendum. GC needs to scrutinise it very carefully as many contradictory accounts of the nature of the governance proposals still persist, despite denials by certain members of the executive. I still think something very iffy is going on...
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JulienP · Black Bloc

Is there anything that GC can actually do to stop them? Do GC pass the timetable? What are my fellow elect exec members view on the entire subject? Cos if they significantly disagree, it would seem to me that having just been elected, in some cases against some of the current members, that they have stronger mandate, and that they should have their say. I am not convinced by the explanations given thus far myself, and very much dislike students having a 1 person majority on the trustee board, as well as non-sabbs seemingly being neutered, by not being even considered for trustees, or the new resources it seems.
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Enlightened_Bystander · Black Bloc

JulienP · Black Bloc

The other suggestion I would make, is that if university wants to have externals in, do we have to give them a vote on a new trustee board? Nowt wrong with having advisors, just I believe only members of the guild (students) should have a full say in how the organisation works at any level.
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naivehottie · Black Bloc

another potential worry is how the student trustees are decided, I'd like to see them elected by GC, but I'm not sure that's how it will work

I think resources and exec may merge or something under the new set-up, but non-sabbs (at least the ones currently on) will still be on resources committee regardless of whatever else happens. Trustees are expected to be students that aren't exec at all as it's seen as a conflict of interest to choose how to spend the money and then say if it was well spent. Not sure the exact details yet though

sallamino · Black Bloc

missk · Meeting Facilitator

Hang on a minute... so you said (about no-one in particular of course) that people will put a spin on things especially when there is an election to be won. So how do you explain the 'negative spin' we are still seeing considering the election has been won?

The reason I believe people are asking questions and are concerned and worried is because this is a massive issue that, in my opinion, has not been handled particularly well.

The process we have seen in dealing with this issue causes me a lot of concern also. The details and debate over guild governance issue are important, but we haven't really got to that point because it seems to have been bypassed. When did we explore all of the options available to us and debate and vote on them? How have other unions resolved this issue?

As for the arguement over the lay members of the trustee board- well that's fine, I agree we should have some. BUT do we need that many? I haven't heard an answer to this yet.

My main problem is that so many people have concerns over what is going on. They are calling for more information, more time and more debate. For these very reasons alone we should reject this motion and come back to it when we are all more comfortable and informed about the topic.

Pushy Penguin · Black Bloc

Hear hear. The discussion seems to have moved to facebook (sorry to anyone who isnt on facebook...i guess it might reach more people there):
http://ubrm.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2261803263

or (what will prob. work...) search for the group 'Governance of the Guild of Students'
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sallamino · Black Bloc

missk · Meeting Facilitator

missk · Meeting Facilitator

missk · Meeting Facilitator

I am also yet to hear a non-exec member defend what is going on here, either the procedure or the proposal. If there are any students on this forum who do agree with the way this has come about and/or propsal then please say so. Just so we can balance the view here, as it is seems to be exec vs students so far.

steven · Black Bloc

[rant]I agree with Rhea (unsurprisingly). Sally - if you don't want me and Rhea to pick up on your blatant attack on us (because really, who else could you possibly have been referring to?), then don't make it on a public forum.

And I would also very much like to know exactly what will happen if we reject this motion, as all th Exec members seem to be telling us that rejecting it will be an excercise in pointlessness. Are you saying that this is getting taken to Uni Council regardless of what we say, and that this motion is merely a tokenistic attempt to make Guild Council feel like it has a say? That's what it feels like at the moment.

All attempts to debate, discuss, or even just find out information about this seem to be getting shot down in a sea of arrogance, patronising rhetoric, or just plain old silence. Democracy seems to be being bypassed somewhat, and if rejecting this motion does nothing other than show this whole episode up for the sleazy load of rubbish it is, we'll have gained something, and we can hopefully gee some students up to actually stand up to the Uni.[/rant]

Enlightened_Bystander · Black Bloc