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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Rabid Rumours Reply with quote

An occasional column featuring outrageous tittle-tattle and sundry gossip from The Radish, Redbrick and around campus.

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So Damn Insane


Under the leadership of David Cameron the Conservative Party has begun a rigorous modernisation program. No surprise then that the University of Birmingham’s own Cameroons (aka Conservative Future) have started a blog. Unfortunately these young guns seem determined to shock most Tories into an early grave, they think Saddam Hussein shouldn’t be executed. Quite how the Cameroons are going to win over the Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and The Sun with this kind of weak liberalism is beyond comprehension. Perhaps someone should ring Conservative Central Office and tell them to whip the young guns into line?

It’s all a far cry from the days when the Young Conservatives called for the hanging of that well known terrorist Nelson Mandela. Perhaps one day the Tories will call for the right person to executed, but don’t hold your breath.

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Visit the BUGS website this week at you’ll be greeted by a banner inviting students to sign up for a pleasant chat about career opportunities with multinational oil giant Shell. But how many students are being told about Shell’s appalling human rights record, especially in resource rich Nigeria?

Back in 1995 the Nigerian military government executed 9 people after a show trial, including the award winning novelist Ken Saro-Wiwa, for organising peaceful protests against Shell activities in the Niger Delta. Officially Shell called for clemency, but a 2001 Greenpeace report revealed that:


‘Two witnesses that accused them later admitted that Shell and the military had bribed them with promises of money and jobs at Shell. Shell admitted having given money to the Nigerian military...’

Shell Nigeria subsequently promised to clean up their act, but according to a 2004 BBC report Shell admits indirectly fuelling corruption in Nigeria. Does such ancient history bother our sabbatical team? Perhaps. Hell, maybe the sabbs think the Shell presentation will include a little talk on the life a Ken Saro-Wiwa, after all this is a terribly sceptical blog.

Ken Saro-Wiwa’s last public statement before he was hanged noted the following:

‘I repeat that we all stand before history. I and my colleagues are not the only ones on trial. Shell is here on trial and it is as well that it is represented by counsel said to be holding a watching brief.

The Company has, indeed, ducked this particular trial, but its day will surely come and the lessons learnt here may prove useful to it for there is no doubt in my mind that the ecological war that the Company has waged in the Delta will be called to question sooner than later and the crimes of that war be duly punished. The crime of the Company’s dirty wars against the Ogoni people will also be punished.’

Apparently Shell will be punished by receiving free publicity on the piss poor BUGS website. Another brave step forward in the fight for human rights.


[I can't be bothered to include the urls that should be in this post. If you want to see them visit the blog. And will someone get my G&T? - Ed]

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

V's a legend!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't suppose you've checked/raised this issue with your Executive Officers/Guild Councillors/anybody that could make the change you want?

Is that an over ambitious thought?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the most stupidest thing about the Radish - without it people would have written to you and you could have had that banner removed in under an hour...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He probably thought he'd be ignored if he brought it up with the Guild. He's only a student after all.
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That's an inane thing to say which leaves you looking like an idiot. How can you say that they are ignoring you if you can't even be arsed to send an email? f**k Radishers, more interested in feeling oppressed than changing things.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will Teapotboy or scruffy address the issue at hand? So V raised the point on a public forum not in a letter or an e-mail. Big deal, it reached scruffy almost immediately anyway. Does it matter if you raise an issue through a letter to a newspaper or a letter to your MP or through a local newsreport so long as it is discussed?

What do Teapotboy and scruffy think about the Shell ad itself? Why was it there in the first place? Why is it still there if, as scruffy's post seems to hint, he wouldn't mind it being changed?
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It will be gone by sundown tomorrow if scruffy has any moral fibre.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teapotboy wrote:
That's an inane thing to say which leaves you looking like an idiot. How can you say that they are ignoring you if you can't even be arsed to send an email? f**k Radishers, more interested in feeling oppressed than changing things.


To be fair to him steven has emailed members of exec on a number of occasions about numerous issues. Can't speak for V cos I don't know who he is. And as gorky points out, I don't see that it matters how you raise the point, as long as the point is raised.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To be fair to him steven has emailed members of exec on a number of occasions about numerous issues. Can't speak for V cos I don't know who he is. And as gorky points out, I don't see that it matters how you raise the point, as long as the point is raised.


He has indeed and I've answered him as soon as I can. And it does matter how you raise it. Why on earth would I see any reason to make a change on behalf of Birmingham students without any indication that those were the people I was acting on behalf of? Guild Democratic routes ensure that Birmingham student opinions are collected (if they give them). This is a public forum. How the hell do I know who you are? I know disgruntled former members vent about me on here often. They are not my members - why should I carry their views over current members?

The fact that I check these forums sporadically is no guarantee of action or pick up by anyone. You can't bemoan students not using Guild Council as a route of change on one hand and then not use it as a route of change yourselves on the other.

I have not made a commitment (because it isn't my decision) about the continued use of an advert from a commercial body and it was there is the first place because there was no reason why not that the the Guild (as opposed to you and I as individuals with opinions) would accept the trade, in order to use that money to invest on the ARC, Student Development, the Jobzone etc. We have no policy about it, so why would I make a decision? If I did that it would be entirely installing my own ethical judgements over the Guild's advertising policy and any student that disagreed with me. If I make a decision that you agree with on my own, I gather you'll support it, but I'm not willing to set the precedent where I make these decisions on my own because when I make one that you disagree with there'll be hell to pay.

And if you ignore me, why wouldn't I ignore you - apathy is my problem to bust but opinion is your responsibility to give - if any of us want to see any positive change.

But again, I presume too much...
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Yeah but you know who I am, I'm a student, I say the banner goes. End of.
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He has indeed and I've answered him as soon as I can. And it does matter how you raise it. Why on earth would I see any reason to make a change on behalf of Birmingham students without any indication that those were the people I was acting on behalf of? Guild Democratic routes ensure that Birmingham student opinions are collected (if they give them). This is a public forum. How the hell do I know who you are? I know disgruntled former members vent about me on here often. They are not my members - why should I carry their views over current members?


If you're talking directly to me, I am actually a current member of BUGS, the reason you don't see me around anymore is because I am on my year abroad in Germany, which is the same reason I can't attend GC anymore, much to my chagrin. While I agree if you want a quick and better response emailing is best, if you know who is posting, as you do with me josh and steven, then surely it is still a viable communication means?

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I have not made a commitment (because it isn't my decision) about the continued use of an advert from a commercial body and it was there is the first place because there was no reason why not that the the Guild (as opposed to you and I as individuals with opinions) would accept the trade, in order to use that money to invest on the ARC, Student Development, the Jobzone etc. We have no policy about it, so why would I make a decision? If I did that it would be entirely installing my own ethical judgements over the Guild's advertising policy and any student that disagreed with me. If I make a decision that you agree with on my own, I gather you'll support it, but I'm not willing to set the precedent where I make these decisions on my own because when I make one that you disagree with there'll be hell to pay.


This is a fair point, NBS last year anybody? I am however a little surprised that no motion or emergency motion has been submitted on this. Having said that people who would submit such things have been very busy with other things for this GC, so fair enough. I suppose I could have done it myself, but seeing as I am not on campus this year I feel slightly awkward about submitting motions which changes stuff which doesn't directly affect me. Although having said that it is on the BUGS website, which I do check regularly and so does affect me a bit I guess.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I apologise for the 'ignoring' comment, I was having one of my cynical moments. I was going to write a motion about Shell, but didn't get round to it in time for the deadline, and submitting it as an emergency motion never occured to me (it's not really an emergency, after all).
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teapotboy wrote:
Yeah but you know who I am, I'm a student, I say the banner goes. End of.


One man, one vote doesn't mean that I am the man, so I have the vote.

Democracy is what shapes my action, not complaints. I have absolutely no problem with refusing trade from various groups (we do already) but not on the basis that a few people aren't happy with it. There will always be people who believe the other and I am not willing to act without mandate.

But I appreciate the comments. If anyone wants to go to Sabrina's day on Wednesday to speak about how we put ethics into our business development, that can only be a good thing...
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