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| SimonM Black Bloc
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:58 am Post subject: Current situation in the Middle East: a strategic analysis |
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The following is from Stratfor and is subscriber-only so I'm posting the text directly rather than linking. It's about the most unbiased, non-sensationalist analysis of the current situation in Israel and Lebanon that I've read, and is both incisive and a captivating read. I offer it unedited and without comment, because I think people might find it interesting. Please reply if you do, because I might be able to get more over the next few days.
Warning: This is LONG.
Middle East Crisis: Backgrounder
Israel lives with three realities: geographic, demographic and cultural. Geographically, it is at a permanent disadvantage, lacking strategic depth. It does enjoy the advantage of interior lines -- the ability to move forces rapidly from one front to another. Demographically, it is on the whole outnumbered, although it can achieve local superiority in numbers by choosing the time and place of war. Its greatest advantage is cultural. It has a far greater mastery of the technology and culture of war than its neighbors.
Two of the realities cannot be changed. Nothing can be done about geography or demography. Culture can be changed. It is not inherently the case that Israel will have a technological or operational advantage over its neighbors. The great inherent fear of Israel is that the Arabs will equal or surpass Israeli prowess culturally and therefore militarily. If that were to happen, then all three realities would turn against Israel and Israel might well be at risk.
That is why the capture of Israeli troops, first one in the south, then two in the north, has galvanized Israel. The kidnappings represent a level of Arab tactical prowess that previously was the Israeli domain. They also represent a level of tactical slackness on the Israeli side that was previously the Arab domain. These events hardly represent a fundamental shift in the balance of power. Nevertheless, for a country that depends on its cultural superiority, any tremor in this variable reverberates dramatically. Hamas and Hezbollah have struck the core Israeli nerve. Israel cannot ignore it.
Embedded in Israel's demographic problem is this: Israel has national security requirements that outstrip its manpower base. It can field a sufficient army, but its industrial base cannot supply all of the weapons needed to fight high-intensity conflicts. This means it is always dependent on an outside source for its industrial base and must align its policies with that source. At first this was the Soviets, then France and finally the United States. Israel broke with the Soviets and France when their political demands became too intense. It was after 1967 that it entered into a patron-client relationship with the United States. This relationship is its strength and its weakness. It gives the Israelis the systems they need for national security, but since U.S. and Israeli interests diverge, the relationship constrains Israel's range of action.
During the Cold War, the United States relied on Israel for a critical geopolitical function. The fundamental U.S. interest was Turkey, which controlled the Bosporus and kept the Soviet fleet under control in the Mediterranean. The emergence of Soviet influence in Syria and Iraq -- which was not driven by U.S. support for Israel since the United States did not provide all that much support compared to France -- threatened Turkey with attack from two directions, north and south. Turkey could not survive this. Israel drew Syrian attention away from Turkey by threatening Damascus and drawing forces and Soviet equipment away from the Turkish frontier. Israel helped secure Turkey and turned a Soviet investment into a dry hole. Once Egypt signed a treaty with Israel and Sinai became a buffer zone, Israel became safe from a full peripheral war – everyone attacking at the same time. Jordan was not going to launch an attack and Syria by itself could not strike. The danger to Israel became Palestinian operations inside of Israel and the occupied territories and the threat posed from Lebanon by the Syrian-sponsored group Hezbollah.
In 1982, Israel responded to this threat by invading Lebanon. It moved as far north as Beirut and the mountains east and northeast of it. Israel did not invade Beirut proper, since Israeli forces do not like urban warfare as it imposes too high a rate of attrition. But what the Israelis found was low-rate attrition. Throughout their occupation of Lebanon, they were constantly experiencing guerrilla attacks, particularly from Hezbollah. Hezbollah has two patrons: Syria and Iran . The Syrians have used Hezbollah to pursue their political and business interests in Lebanon. Iran has used Hezbollah for business and ideological reasons. Business interests were the overlapping element. In the interest of business, it became important to Hezbollah, Syria and Iran that an accommodation be reached with Israel. Israel wanted to withdraw from Lebanon in order to end the constant low-level combat and losses.
Israel withdrew in 1988, having reached quiet understandings with Syria that Damascus would take responsibility for Hezbollah, in return for which Israel would not object to Syrian domination of Lebanon. Iran, deep in its war with Iraq, was not in a position to object if it had wanted to. Israel returned to its borders in the north, maintaining a security presence in the south of Lebanon that lasted for several years.
As Lebanon blossomed and Syria's hold on it loosened, Iran also began to increase its regional influence. Its hold on some elements of Hezbollah strengthened, and in recent months, Hezbollah -- aligning itself with Iranian Shiite ideology -- has become more aggressive. Iranian weapons were provided to Hezbollah, and tensions grew along the frontier. This culminated in the capture of two soldiers in the north and the current crisis.
It is difficult to overestimate the impact of the soldier kidnappings on the Israeli psyche. First, while the Israeli military is extremely highly trained, Israel is also a country with mass conscription. Having a soldier kidnapped by Arabs hits every family in the country. The older generation is shocked and outraged that members of the younger generation have been captured and worried that they allowed themselves to be captured; therefore, the younger generation needs to prove it too can defeat the Arabs. This is not a primary driver, but it is a dimension.
The more fundamental issue is this: Israel withdrew from Lebanon in order to escape low-intensity conflict. If Hezbollah is now going to impose low-intensity conflict on Israel's border, the rationale for withdrawal disappears. It is better for Israel to fight deep in Lebanon than inside Israel. If the rockets are going to fall in Israel proper, then moving into a forward posture has no cost to Israel.
From an international standpoint, the Israelis expect to be condemned. These international condemnations, however, are now having the opposite effect of what is intended. The Israeli view is that they will be condemned regardless of what they do. The differential between the condemnation of reprisal attacks and condemnation of a full invasion is not enough to deter more extreme action. If Israel is going to be attacked anyway, it might as well achieve its goals.
Moreover, an invasion of Hezbollah-held territory aligns Israel with the United States. U.S. intelligence has been extremely concerned about the growing activity of Hezbollah, and U.S. relations with Iran are not good. Lebanon is the center of gravity of Hezbollah, and the destruction of Hezbollah capabilities in Lebanon, particularly the command structure, would cripple Hezbollah operations globally in the near future. The United States would very much like to see that happen, but cannot do it itself. Moreover, an Israeli action would enrage the Islamic world, but it would also drive home the limits of Iranian power. Once again, Iran would have dropped Lebanon in the grease, and not been hurt itself. The lesson of Hezbollah would not be lost on the Iraqi Shia -- or so the Bush administration would hope.
Therefore, this is one Israeli action that benefits the United States, and thus helps the immediate situation as well as long-term geopolitical alignments. It realigns the United States and Israel. This also argues that any invasion must be devastating to Hezbollah. It must go deep. It must occupy temporarily. It must shatter Hezbollah.
At this point, the Israelis appear to be unrolling a war plan in this direction. They have blockaded the Lebanese coast. Israeli aircraft are attacking what air power there is in Lebanon, and have attacked Hezbollah and other key command-and-control infrastructure. It would follow that the Israelis will now concentrate on destroying Hezbollah -- and Lebanese -- communications capabilities and attacking munitions dumps, vehicle sites, rocket-storage areas and so forth.
Most important, Israel is calling up its reserves. This is never a symbolic gesture in Israel. All Israelis below middle age are in the reserves and mobilization is costly in every sense of the word. If the Israelis were planning a routine reprisal, they would not be mobilizing. But they are, which means they are planning to do substantially more than retributive airstrikes. The question is what their plan is.
Given the blockade and what appears to be the shape of the airstrikes, it seems to us at the moment the Israelis are planning to go fairly deep into Lebanon. The logical first step is a move to the Litani River in southern Lebanon. But given the missile attacks on Haifa, they will go farther, not only to attack launcher sites, but to get rid of weapons caches. This means a move deep into the Bekaa Valley, the seat of Hezbollah power and the location of plants and facilities. Such a penetration would leave Israeli forces' left flank open, so a move into Bekaa would likely be accompanied by attacks to the west. It would bring the Israelis close to Beirut again.
This leaves Israel's right flank exposed, and that exposure is to Syria. The Israeli doctrine is that leaving Syrian airpower intact while operating in Lebanon is dangerous. Therefore, Israel must at least be considering using its air force to attack Syrian facilities, unless it gets ironclad assurances the Syrians will not intervene in any way. Conversations are going on between Egypt and Syria, and we suspect this is the subject. But Israel would not necessarily object to the opportunity of eliminating Syrian air power as part of its operation, or if Syria chooses, going even further.
At the same time, Israel does not intend to get bogged down in Lebanon again. It will want to go in, wreak havoc, withdraw. That means it will go deeper and faster, and be more devastating, than if it were planning a long-term occupation. It will go in to liquidate Hezbollah and then leave. True, this is no final solution, but for the Israelis, there are no final solutions.
Israeli forces are already in Lebanon. Its special forces are inside identifying targets for airstrikes. We expect numerous air attacks over the next 48 hours, as well as reports of firefights in southern Lebanon. We also expect more rocket attacks on Israel.
It will take several days to mount a full invasion of Lebanon. We would not expect major operations before the weekend at the earliest. If the rocket attacks are taking place, however, Israel might send several brigades to the Litani River almost immediately in order to move the rockets out of range of Haifa. Therefore, we would expect a rapid operation in the next 24-48 hours followed by a larger force later.
At this point, the only thing that can prevent this would be a major intervention by Syria with real guarantees that it would restrain Hezbollah and indications such operations are under way. Syria is the key to a peaceful resolution. Syria must calculate the relative risks, and we expect them to be unwilling to act decisively.
Therefore:
1. Israel cannot tolerate an insurgency on its northern frontier; if there is one, it wants it farther north.
2. It cannot tolerate attacks on Haifa.
3. It cannot endure a crisis of confidence in its military.
4. Hezbollah cannot back off of its engagement with Israel.
5. Syria can stop this, but the cost to it stopping it is higherthan the cost of letting it go on.
It would appear Israel will invade Lebanon. The global response will be noisy. There will be no substantial international action against Israel. Beirut's tourism and transportation industry, as well as its financial sectors, are very much at risk.
(c) 2005 Strategic Forecasting, Inc. All rights reserved.
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Stratfor: Alerts - July 14, 2006
Red Alert: Hezbollah's Motives
Hezbollah's decision to increase operations against Israel was not taken lightly. The leadership of Hezbollah has not so much moderated over the years as it has aged. The group's leaders have also, with age, become comfortable and in many cases wealthy. They are at least part of the Lebanese political process, and in some real sense part of the Lebanese establishment. These are men with a radical past and of radical mind-set, but they are older, comfortable and less adventurous than 20 years ago. Therefore, the question is: Why are they increasing tensions with Israel and inviting an invasion that threatens their very lives? There are three things to look at: the situation among the Palestinians, the situation in Lebanon and the situation in the Islamic world. But first we must consider the situation in Hezbollah itself.
There is a generation gap in Hezbollah. Hezbollah began as a Shiite radical group inspired by the Iranian Islamic Revolution. In that context, Hezbollah represented a militant, nonsecular alternative to the Nasserite Fatah, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and other groups that took their bearing from Pan-Arabism rather than Islam. Hezbollah split the Shiite community in Lebanon -- which was against Sunnis and Christians -- but most of all, engaged the Israelis. It made a powerful claim that the Palestinian movement had no future while it remained fundamentally secular and while its religious alternatives derived from the conservative Arab monarchies. More than anyone, it was Hezbollah that introduced Islamist suicide bombings.
Hezbollah had a split personality, however; it was supported by two very different states. Iran was radically Islamist. Syria, much closer and a major power in Lebanon, was secular and socialist. They shared an anti-Zionist ideology, but beyond that, not much. Moreover, the Syrians viewed the Palestinian claim for a state with a jaundiced eye. Palestine was, from their point of view, part of the Ottoman Empire's Syrian province, divided by the British and French. Syria wanted to destroy Israel, but not necessarily to create a Palestinian state.
From Syria's point of view, the real issue was the future of Lebanon, which it wanted to reabsorb into Syria, or at the very least economically exploit. The Syrians intervened in Lebanon against the Palestine Liberation Organization and on the side of some Christian elements. Their goal was much less ideological than political and economic. They saw Hezbollah as a tool in their fight with Yasser Arafat and for domination of Syria.
Hezbollah strategically was aligned with Iran. Tactically, it had to align itself with Syria, since the Syrians dominated Lebanon. That meant that when Syria wanted tension with Israel, Hezbollah provided it, and when Syria wanted things to quiet down, Hezbollah cooled it. Meanwhile the leadership of Hezbollah, aligned with the Syrians, was in a position to prosper, particular after the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.
That withdrawal involved a basic, quiet agreement between Syria and Israel. Israel accepted Syrian domination of Lebanon. In return, Syria was expected to maintain a security regime that controlled Hezbollah. Attacks against Israel had to be kept within certain acceptable limits. Syria, having far less interest in Israel than in Lebanon, saw this as an opportunity to achieve its ends. Israel saw Syrian domination under these terms as a stabilizing force.
Destabilization
Two things converged to destabilize this situation. The emergence of Hamas as a major force among the Palestinians meant the Palestinian polity was being redefined. Even before the elections catapulted Hamas into a leadership role, it was clear that the Fatah-dominated government of Arafat was collapsing. Everything was up for grabs. That meant that either Hezbollah made a move or would be permanently a Lebanese organization. It had to show it was willing to take risks and be effective. In fact, it had to show that it was the most effective of all the groups. The leadership might have been reluctant, but the younger members saw this as their moment, and frankly, the old juices might have been running in the older leadership. They moved.
The second part of this occurred in Lebanon itself. After the death of former Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri, outside pressure, primarily from the United States, forced a Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon. Now, do not overestimate the extent of the withdrawal. Syrian influence in Lebanon is still enormous. But it did relieve Syria of the burden of controlling Hezbollah. Indeed, Israel was not overly enthusiastic about Syria's withdrawal from Lebanon for just that reason.
Syria could now claim to have no influence or obligation concerning Hezbollah. Hezbollah's leadership lost the cover of being able to tell the young Turks that they would be more aggressive, but that the Syrians would not let them. As the Syrian withdrawal loosened up Lebanese politics, Hezbollah was neither restrained nor could it pretend to be restrained. Whatever the mixed feelings might have been, the mission was the mission, Syrian withdrawal opened the door and Hezbollah could not resist walking through it, and many members urgently wanted to walk through it.
At the same time the Iranians were deeply involved in negotiations in Iraq and over Tehran's nuclear program. They wanted as many levers as they could find to use in negotiations against the United States. They already had the ability to destabilize Iraq. They had a nuclear program the United States wanted to get rid of. Reactivating a global network that directly threatened American interests was another chip on the bargaining table. Not attacking U.S. interests but attacking Israel demonstrated Hezbollah's vibrancy without directly threatening the United States. Moreover, activities around the world, not carefully shielded in some cases, gave Iran further leverage.
In addition, it allowed Iran to reclaim its place as the leader of Islamic radical resurgence. Al Qaeda, a Sunni group, had supplanted Iran in the Islamic world. Indeed, Iran's collaboration with the West allowed Tehran to be pictured among the "hypocrites" Osama bin Laden condemned. Iran wants to become the dominant power in the Persian Gulf, and one part of that is to take away the mantle of Islamic radicalism from al Qaeda. Since al Qaeda is a damaged organization at best, and since Hezbollah pioneered Islamist terrorism on a global basis, reactivating Hezbollah made a great deal of sense to the Iranians.
Hezbollah's Position
Syria benefited by showing how badly it was needed in Lebanon. Iran picked up additional leverage against the United States. Hezbollah claimed a major place at the negotiations shaping the future of Palestinian politics. It all made a great deal of sense.
Of course, it was also obvious that Israel would respond. From Syria's point of view, that was fine. Israel would bog down again. It would turn to Syria to relieve it of its burdens. Israel would not want an Islamic regime in Damascus. Syria gets regime preservation and the opportunity to reclaim Lebanon. Iran gets a war hundreds of miles away from it, letting others fight its battles. It can claim it is the real enemy of Israel in the Islamic world. The United States might bargain away interests in Iraq in order to control Hezbollah. An Israeli invasion opens up possibilities without creating much risk.
It is Hezbollah that takes it on the chin. But Hezbollah, by its nature and its relationships, really did not have much choice. It had to act or become irrelevant. So now the question is: What does Hezbollah do when the Israelis come? They can resist. They have anti-tank weapons and other systems from Iran. They can inflict casualties. They can impose a counterinsurgency. Syria may think Israel will have to stay, but Israel plans to crush Hezbollah's infrastructure and leave, forcing Hezbollah to take years to recover. Everyone else in Lebanon is furious at Hezbollah for disrupting the recovery. What does Hezbollah do?
In the 1980s, what Hezbollah did was take Western hostages. The United States is enormously sensitive to hostage situations. It led Ronald Reagan to Iran-Contra. Politically, the United States has trouble handling hostages. This is the one thing Hezbollah learned in the 1980s that the leaders remember. A portfolio of hostages is life insurance. Hezbollah could go back to its old habits. It makes sense to do so.
It will not do this while there is a chance of averting an invasion. But once it is crystal clear it is coming, grabbing hostages makes sense. Assuming the invasion is going to occur early next week -- or a political settlement is going to take place -- Western powers now have no more than 72 hours to get their nationals out of Beirut or into places of safety. That probably cannot be done. There are thousands of Westerners in Beirut. But the next few days will focus on ascertaining Israeli intensions and timelines, and executing plans to withdraw citizens. The Israelis might well shift their timeline to facilitate this. But all things considered, if Hezbollah returns to its roots, it should return to its first operational model: hostages.
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Stratfor: Alerts - July 15, 2006
Special Report: Getting Ready
We are now in the period preceding major conventional operations. Israel is in the process of sealing the Lebanese coast. They have disrupted Lebanese telecommunications, although they have not completely collapsed the structure. Israeli aircraft are attacking Hezbollah's infrastructure and road system. In the meantime, Hezbollah, aware it is going to be hit hard, is in a use-it or-lose-it scenario, firing what projectiles it can into Israel.
The Israeli strategy appears to be designed to do two things. First, the Israelis are trying to prevent any supplies from entering Lebanon, including reinforcements. That is why they are attacking all coastal maritime facilities. Second, they are degrading the roads in Lebanon. That will keep reinforcements from reaching Hezbollah fighters engaged in the south. As important, it will prevent the withdrawal and redeployment of heavy equipment deployed by Hezbollah in the south, particularly their rockets, missiles and launchers. The Israelis are preparing the battlefield to prevent a Hezbollah retreat or maneuver.
Hezbollah's strategy has been imposed on it. It seems committed to standing and fighting. The rate of fire they are maintaining into Israel is clearly based on an expectation that Israel will be attacking. The rocketry guarantees the Israelis will attack. Hezbollah has been reported to have anti-tank and anti-air weapons. The Israelis will use airmobile tactics to surround and isolate Hezbollah concentrations, but in the end, they will have to go in, engage and defeat Hezbollah tactically. Hezbollah obviously knows this, but there is no sign of disintegration on its part. At the very least, Hezbollah is projecting an appetite for combat. Sources in Beirut, who have been reliable to this point, say Hezbollah has weapons that have not yet been seen, such as anti-aircraft missiles, and that these will be used shortly. Whatever the truth of this, Hezbollah does not seem to think its situation is hopeless.
The uncertain question is Syria. No matter how effectively Israel seals the Lebanese coast, so long as the Syrian frontier is open, Hezbollah might get supplies from there, and might be able to retreat there. So far, there has been only one reported airstrike on a Syrian target. Both Israel and Syria were quick to deny this.
What is interesting is that it was the Syrians who insisted very publicly that no such attack took place. The Syrians are clearly trying to avoid a situation in which they are locked into a confrontation with Israel. Israel might well think this is the time to have it out with Syria as well, but Syria is trying very hard not to give Israel casus belli. In addition, Syria is facilitating the movement of Westerners out of Lebanon, allowing them free transit. They are trying to signal that they are being cooperative and nonaggressive.
The problem is this: While Syria does not want to get hit and will not make overt moves, so long as the Syrians cannot guarantee supplies will not reach Hezbollah or that Hezbollah won't be given sanctuary in Syria, Israel cannot complete its mission of shattering Hezbollah and withdrawing. They could be drawn into an Iraq-like situation that they absolutely don't want. Israel is torn. On the one hand, it wants to crush Hezbollah, and that requires total isolation. On the other hand, it does not want the Syrian regime to fall. What comes after would be much worse from Israel's point of view.
This is the inherent problem built into Israel's strategy, and what gives Hezbollah some hope. If Israel does not attack Syria, Hezbollah could well survive Israel's attack by moving across the border. No matter how many roads are destroyed, Israel won't be able to prevent major Hezbollah formations moving across the border. If they do attack Syria and crush al Assad's government, Hezbollah could come out of this stronger than ever.
Judging from the airstrikes in the past 24 hours, it would appear Israel is trying to solve the problem tactically, by degrading Lebanese transport facilities. That could increase the effectiveness of the strategy, but in the end cannot be sufficient. We continue to think Israel will choose not to attack Syria directly and therefore, while the invasion will buy time, it will not solve the problem. Hezbollah certainly expects to be badly hurt, but it does not seem to expect to be completely annihilated. We are guessing, but our guess is that they are reading Israel's views on Syria and are betting that, in the long run, they will come out stronger. Of course, Israel knows this and therefore may have a different plan for Syria. At any rate, this is the great unknown in this campaign.
The other unknown is the withdrawal of Western nationals from Lebanon. We have received very reliable reports from sources in Lebanon who assure us Hezbollah does not intend to renew hostage taking, which is deemed an old and nonproductive strategy. These same sources have reported splits in Hezbollah over how aggressive it should be. We believe Hezbollah has no current plans for hostage taking. We are not convinced, however, that in the course of the battle it will not change its mind, or that with weakened central control elements, elements of Hezbollah will take hostages as a bargaining chip. Regardless of what Hezbollah is saying now, hostage taking must be taken seriously as a possibility.
The U.S. Embassy in Beirut is now saying plans are being developed in concert with the U.S. Defense Department for extracting U.S. nationals from Lebanon. A convoy scheduled to travel from the American University of Beirut to Amman, Jordan, via Syria, was cancelled at the last moment, with participants being told that the embassy has other plans.
There are said to be 25,000 U.S. citizens in Lebanon, but many of these are Lebanese-American dual nationals who actually live in Lebanon as Lebanese. These are less visible, less at risk and have greater resources for survival. The most at-risk Americans are those who hold only U.S. papers and are clearly American, such as employees of American companies, students studying at Lebanese universities and tourists. There is no clear count of these high-risk nationals, nor is there a count on high-risk nationals from other non-Islamic countries. There are thousands, however, and getting them out will be difficult.
The U.S. Embassy is considering flying them to Cyprus. That would mean an air bridge from Beirut International Airport, where a single runway has been opened, to Cyprus, a short flight away. The United States will not do this while Beirut is under attack, so it will ask the Israelis to create a safe zone and air corridor during the evacuation. But the threat on the ground is real, and we suspect the United States will send troops in to secure the perimeter and surrounding areas against shoulder-launched missiles. They will also keep the precise timing secret, although thousands of people in Lebanon -- the evacuees -- will know it is coming.
There was a Marine Expeditionary Force on maneuvers in the Red Sea a few days ago. We do not know where they are now, but they had 2,200 marines on board -- the right number to secure extraction. We suspect aircraft will be chartered from airlines in the region and that some U.S. Air Force and allied aircraft might also be used. Doubtless, the United States is busy organizing it. Given that the United States cancelled several ad hoc withdrawals, it must be highly confident it has the process nailed; we would expect this operation to get going sometime Sunday. Assuming aircraft that can carry any average of 200 people (purely arbitrary), 50-100 flights could get everyone out -- assuming that everyone can be notified and can get to Beirut International Airport. That won't happen. The remainder who are at risk will probably be advised to move into Christian areas east and northeast of Beirut and to keep their heads down for the duration. It is also possible that discussion of Cyprus notwithstanding, the path will be through Syria, but we doubt that.
In the meantime, that Israel has not sent major ground units into Lebanon yet (lots of small units are operating there) but is taking rocket attacks and hunkering down indicates it does not plan to act piecemeal. If we were to guess, the main thrust would likely begin late Sunday night or Monday morning. They will be ready by then. Of course we are not privy to Israeli operations, so it could be delayed 24-48 hours to give forces a chance to gear up. But given the Hezbollah bombardment, the Israelis are under pressure to move sooner rather than later.
We are in a relatively quiet spell (emphasis on quiet). Both sides have made their strategic decisions. Both know how the war will be fought. Hezbollah thinks it can give as good as it will get for a while, and will ultimately be able to regroup for a guerrilla war against the Israelis. Israel thinks it can immobilize and crush Hezbollah quickly and decisively and will be able to withdraw. Both sides know Syria is the wild card, and neither is quite sure how it will play its hand. One side is wrong in its expectations about the outcome. That's the nature of war.
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| gorky Black Bloc
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm.
One word popped into my head whilst reading that: crypto fascist war nerds. Ok, more than one word.
Israel's attacks against Lebanon are outright acts of aggression.
| Quote: | | We are now in the period preceding major conventional operations. Israel is in the process of sealing the Lebanese coast. They have disrupted Lebanese telecommunications, although they have not completely collapsed the structure. Israeli aircraft are attacking Hezbollah's infrastructure and road system |
The problem here is that the Lebanese people and Hezbollah are seen as the same entity by the authors of the article. Simply not true. Israel have been targeting civilian infrastructure. It's doing that at a huge cost to people in no way involved in Hezbollah.
The most sinister quote so far has been this:
| Quote: | | General Dan Halutz, said his military would target infrastructure and "turn back the clock in Lebanon by 20 years" |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1819123,00.html
That's more than a threat to destroy Lebanese infrastructure. Twenty years ago Lebanon was embroiled in a savage civil war, Israel and Syria had occupied the country. It's a very dark threat indeed.
Just look at the casualties suffered by Lebanese civilians:
According to AFP 300 dead and 480 wounded (excluding foreign nationals)
http://www.afp.com/english/news/stories/060718095717.n0k96lc0.html
Israeli casualties run to 12 dead and 500 wounded (56 seriously wounded)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3276249,00.html
It's nothing short of murder by the Israeli military. And with the monkey known as G. W. Bush sitting on his hands until Syria stops this "shit" I would say the Lebanese need all the help they can get.
So get over to this demo folks:
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/July22Demos.htm |
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| SimonM Black Bloc
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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So what would you have Israel do?
Let's not forget that this all started when Hizbollah, unprovoked, started launching rockets into Israel. This was before they kidnapped a couple of soldiers, and while Israel was busy dealing with the hostage situation with Hamas - hardly the time Israel would want to start a fight at the other end of the country with a completely different terrorist group. So far, over the past week or so, there have been nearly 2000 rocket attacks on mainland Israel, launched indiscriminately at civilian targets.
It's terrible and tragic that Lebanon and its citizens are the ones most affected by Israel's counter attack against Hizbollah - but what can they do? They certainly can't leave Hizbollah capable of continuing its rocket attacks, or agree to any kind of simple agreement that lets Hizbollah off for the attacks so far and leaves them with the capability to resume them at any point in the future that it chooses to.
The fact is that Hizbollah is a terrorist group that deliberately hides its weapons, bases and manpower amongst civilians. They keep their rocket launchers in houses in civilian towns, and roll back the rooves to fire. They hide their arms caches in villages and live amongst the Lebanese population, and unfortunately there's very little the Lebanese army or government can do about it. The bombing of Lebanon's infrastructure - its roads in particular - is necessary to hamper both reinforcement of Hizbollah from the North (manpower and arms) and its path should it choose to flee and scatter, possibly into Syria where it'll never be hunted down.
I think that Israel, the "international community" or SOMEONE needs to pledge hard cash to rebuild Lebanon's infrastructure after this is all over. It's not fair on them that they are caught in this situation, and I suspect that's something we agree on. But I don't think Israel has any choice but to continue its campaign against Hizbollah for the moment. This will inevitably claim more civilian casualties, but Hizbollah are choosing the battleground (i.e. anywhere the maximum amount of civilian casualties will be caused to put international pressure on Israel) and started it all off and they should be blamed.
What I like about these Stratfor articles is that they look at the issue as a geopolitical and strategic one, without the clouding of judgement that comes with the emotional/humanitarian point of view. Of course it's all terrible, and that side shouldn't be overlooked, but we should understand why it's all happening and what choices all the sides have before we condemn.
Here's another more recent briefing that explans a lot of things. Sorry about the shitty formatting, this is how I received it.
| Quote: | Stratfor: Special Report - July 18, 2006
Special Report: Situation Review
By George Friedman
We have been following developments in the Israeli-Hezbollah
conflict closely for several days. At this writing, the air-rocket
war continues to rage, but the Israeli ground offensive that we
would have expected by now has not yet been launched. There is some
speculation that it will not be launched -- that a combination of
air operations and a diplomatic process will be sufficient, from
Israel's point of view, to negate the need for a ground attack.
While the various processes grind their way along, it is time to
review the situation.
The first point to bear in mind is that the crisis did not truly
begin with the capture of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah. The
kidnappings presented a serious problem for Israel, but could not,
by themselves, define the geopolitical issue. That definition came
when Hezbollah rockets struck Haifa, Israel's third-largest city,
on July 13. There were also claims coming from Hezbollah, and
confirmed by Israeli officials, that Hezbollah had missiles
available that could reach Tel Aviv. Israel's population is
concentrated in the Tel Aviv-Jerusalem corridor and in the Tel
Aviv-Haifa corridor. In effect, Hezbollah had attained the ability
to strike at the Israeli heartland. Hezbollah has been hitting the
northern part of this heartland, as well as pounding Israel's
northern frontier.
The capture of two soldiers posed a symbolic challenge to Israel,
but the rocket attacks posed a direct geopolitical threat. Israel
had substantial room for maneuver regarding the captured troops.
The threat to the heartland, however, could not be evaded. To the
extent possible, Israel had to stop the missile attacks. As
important, it also had to eliminate Hezbollah's ability to resume
such attacks. The Israelis can tolerate these strikes for a certain
period of time, so long as the outcome is a final cessation. What
was not an option for Israel was to engage in temporary solutions
that would allow Hezbollah to attack the heartland regularly, at
its discretion. Hezbollah has posed a problem that Israel cannot
choose to ignore.
Hezbollah's reasons for doing so at this time are not altogether
clear. It certainly has to do with the crisis in Palestinian
politics: Hezbollah wants to stake a place for itself as Palestine
redefines itself. It also has to do with the vacuum created by the
withdrawal of Syrian forces from Lebanon and freedom of action for
Hezbollah that previously has been denied it by the Syrians.
Finally, it is clear that Iranian and Shiite politics within the
wider Islamic world have made Hezbollah action at this time
attractive for the group's Iranian patrons.
However complex Hezbollah's motives might be, the consequences of
its actions are crystal-clear: From the Israeli perspective, it is
imperative that the rocket attacks must be shut down.
Israel's Imperfect Options
Israel has three tools at its disposal.
One is diplomacy. There is a general consensus, even among many in
Lebanon and Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia, that Hezbollah's
actions have been unreasonable and undesirable. It would not be too
difficult, we would think, to create a circumstance in which the
two Israeli soldiers are released, a cease-fire is declared and an
international monitoring team inserted into the region. That is
what the French, for example, have proposed, and what is being
discussed now.
The problem with this option, from the Israeli point of view, is
that it puts off a solution to the deeper problem posed by
Hezbollah to a later day -- one that might not be so advantageous
for Israel. Israel has a built-in distrust of international
peacekeeping operations -- dating back to May 1967, when the United
Nations, without consulting Israel, withdrew peacekeepers from
Sinai at the behest of the Egyptians. This cultural bias against
peacekeepers is reinforced by the fact that Hezbollah could rearm
itself behind the peacekeeping shield. Whether the peacekeepers
would conduct operations to prevent this -- in effect, carrying out
counterinsurgency operations in Lebanon in support of Israel's
goals -- is doubtful in the extreme. Instead, the presence of a
peacekeeping force might facilitate a more substantial Hezbollah
capability down the road. This is, at least, how the Israelis think
of it, and their position therefore has been consistent: The
outcome of this conflict must be the destruction of Hezbollah, or
at least its offensive capability, for an extended period of time.
That leads to Israel's other two options, both of which would be
carried out with military force.
The first step has been the Israeli air campaign. All modern
military operations by advanced powers begin with air campaigns.
Their purpose is to prepare the battlefield for land attack and, in
some cases, to force a political settlement. In Kosovo, for
example, air attacks alone were sufficient to convince the Yugoslav
government to concede its control over Kosovo. In the case of
Desert Storm, the air campaign came in preparation for a ground
attack.
Air forces around the world like to make extravagant claims as to
what air power can do; the Israeli air force is no exception.
However, while an air campaign can severely hamper Hezbollah --
particularly by attacking launch sites and storage facilities, and
generally making launches difficult -- the likelihood that air
power can, by itself, eliminate the threat is unlikely.
To reiterate a key point, the nature of the threat is continual
attacks on Israel's geopolitical heartland. Now, it is possible
that Israeli air operations could force some sort of political
settlement, but again, as with the diplomatic option, it is
difficult to conceive of a political settlement that guarantees
what Israel wants. Even a Hezbollah withdrawal from southern
Lebanon, coupled with occupation of the area by the Lebanese army,
does not solve the problem. This solution assumes that the Lebanese
army has the will and ability to prevent Hezbollah's return. For
this to work, the Lebanese army would have to agree to dismantle
Hezbollah's infrastructure, and Hezbollah would have to agree to
let them do so -- and Israel would have to place its faith in both
Hezbollah and the Lebanese army and government. It is difficult to
imagine a situation in which the Israelis can reach a satisfactory
political settlement. The air campaign as a political tool suffers
from the same defect as the diplomatic track: It is of value only
if Israel is prepared to accept a solution that does not guarantee
a complete end to the threat posed by Hezbollah -- and potentially
might leave the Israelis in a worse position, militarily, down the
road.
There is an additional political fact and problem. Obviously, any
threat to a heartland generates a unique political response. In
Israel, the Olmert government is heir to Ariel Sharon's quest for
an imposed political settlement on the Palestinians. This is a
strategy opposed from the right, by Benjamin Netanyahu of Likud,
who argues that any settlement that leaves military options in the
hands of the Palestinians is unsustainable. The Hezbollah issue is
the Palestinian issue on steroids. If Olmert were to agree to any
settlement that does not include dismantling Hezbollah's
capabilities or that relies on a third party to police that
dismantling, Netanyahu would attack hard -- and we suspect that
enough of Olmert's coalition would defect to force a political
crisis in Israel.
There has been no attack from Netanyahu, however. This can be
partly explained by the Israeli tradition that politics stops when
war begins. But we suspect this goes deeper than that. Olmert is
keeping Netanyahu informed as to his intentions and Netanyahu is
content with the course being pursued, making it clear in public
that his support depends on the government faithfully pursuing that
course -- meaning the destruction of Hezbollah as an organized
entity. Olmert does not have much room for maneuver on this, nor is
it apparent that he wants any. The goal is the destruction of
Hezbollah; anything less would not work, on any level, for Israel.
The Logic for a Ground Offensive
From this, we must conclude that the air campaign comes in
preparation for what is Israel's third option: a ground offensive.
If Israel's goal is the destruction of Hezbollah's ability to
strike the Israeli heartland for an extended period of time, the
only way to hope to achieve this is from the ground. Those
conducting air operations can see only what can be seen from the
air. And even if they can hit whatever they see, eliminating the
threat requires a ground presence. Therefore, we continue to
believe that logic and evidence argue for an Israeli invasion of
southern Lebanon -- and that any possible diplomatic or political
resolution, however tempting, ultimately could not satisfy Israel's
security requirements.
When we say invasion, we do not mean occupation. Israel has had its
fill of counterinsurgency operations in Lebanon. This would be a
raid in force. A large force would push into Lebanon, with two
missions: the destruction of Hezbollah as an army and the location
and destruction of all heavy weaponry. This solution would not be
permanent, but it would achieve two ends. First, it would mean that
for Hezbollah or a successor organization to regroup would take
years. Second, it would leave no third party shielding Hezbollah
while it regrouped. This strategy gives Israel what it wants now
and options in the future.
Three more Israeli battalions were mobilized today. The United
States, which certainly knows Israel's intentions, is now
extracting U.S. citizens from Beirut. Israeli aircraft are working
over Hezbollah positions in the Bekaa Valley. The United States,
Israel's patron, is clearly in favor of the destruction of
Hezbollah and there is no broad-based opposition to an Israeli
offensive internationally. It is a window of opportunity that
Israel will not pass up. The very thing that makes diplomatic
solutions possible also makes invasion, for the Israelis,
attractive.
Our analysis therefore runs as follows:
1. Only an invasion on the ground can provide Israel with the
solution it wants to the threat Hezbollah has posed.
2. A diplomatic or political settlement not only cannot guarantee
this outcome, but it would make later Israeli responses to
Hezbollah even more difficult. Israel has more room for maneuver
internationally now than it will have later.
3. The internal politics of Israel will make it very difficult for
Olmert to come out of this with a less-than-definitive outcome.
4. Israel will seek to deal with Hezbollah without undertaking
counterinsurgency operations in the long term. This means attack,
sterilization of the threat, and withdrawal.
There has been much speculation about diplomatic solutions, the
possibility that there will not be an invasion, and so on. But when
we ignore the rhetoric and look at the chessboard, it is difficult
to see how this conflict ends without some action on the ground.
When we examine the behavior of the Israelis, they are taking the
steps that would be needed for an invasion. Obviously we could be
wrong, and clearly the invasion has not come at the earliest
possible moment, as we had predicted. Nevertheless, when we step
through the logic, we keep coming out with the same answer:
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| Quote: | Stratfor: Terrorism Intelligence Report - July 19, 2006
Hezbollah: Gaming Out a Threat Matrix
By Fred Burton
Over the past week, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has hit Hezbollah
hard. The militant group's headquarters building in southern
Beirut, Lebanon, has been utterly destroyed and its
command-and-control network, training camps and arms-storage depots
have been struck repeatedly in bombing raids. Israel's air campaign
is geared toward dismantling Hezbollah and crippling its ability to
conduct military operations targeting Israel in the future.
Should the Israelis invade Lebanon and begin to systematically
eradicate Hezbollah on the ground, Hezbollah likely would stand and
fight for a time, but there is little chance it would prevail in a
toe-to-toe military confrontation against IDF. Its only realistic
chance for long-term survival would be to adopt the strategy used
by Saddam Hussein's forces following the U.S. invasion: Fade into
the woodwork and launch an insurgency.
Such a campaign would take Hezbollah back to its roots : During
the early 1980s, it operated as an insurgent organization. Should
this occur, it is entirely possible Hezbollah also would return to
the tactics it used at that time (which, by the way, also have been
used by insurgents in Iraq): bombings, assassinations and
kidnappings .
However, the difference between the Hezbollah of the early 1980s
and the Hezbollah of today is that over the decades -- as it
matured into a political party with a powerful militia -- it also
planted roots far afield. The organization today has an
international network of cells, which have carried out bombings and
other attacks far beyond the Middle East in the past. If history
serves as a guide, those cells conceivably could be called upon
again to take action.
We must be clear on this point: We are not predicting any imminent
attacks by Hezbollah forces in the West or in other parts of the
world. Whether such strikes would be in the group's interest -- or
whether they would be permitted by Iran , which has trained and
maintained close contact with the commanders of Hezbollah's
military wing -- remains a matter of serious debate. There are very
good arguments as to why Iran would refuse to authorize such
attacks at this time, or even attempt to dissuade Hezbollah from
mounting them, as it considers its own position and ambitions
within the region and the wider Muslim world. There also are
plausible arguments that Hezbollah, which has a long history of
acting on motives of retribution and revenge, might not be held in
check by the Iranians. Some of these are strategic questions, the
answers to which may be determined by events that are still in
play.
There are, however, some things that can be known definitively. One
of these is that Hezbollah has used -- and appears to maintain --
an "off the shelf" model of operational planning. This means that
hypothetical targets are selected and initial surveillance
conducted without any violence necessarily ensuing. The advantage
of such a planning model is that it allows the group to strike hard
and fast once a "go forward" decision has been made. The
disadvantage, however -- and this is key -- is that pre-existing
plans must, by necessity, be dusted off (however briefly) and
surveillance must be updated before an actual strike takes place.
And it is during this stage that cells become most vulnerable to
detection.
If there is any strength in logic (and we believe there is), logic
dictates that, with the situation unfolding along the
Israeli-Lebanese border, Hezbollah units overseas likely are
updating surveillance on potential targets now -- whether any
decision to move against those targets has been made or not.
Hezbollah: The Network
Any discussion of potential targets, however, must first take into
consideration the shape of Hezbollah's global network: where it has
presence, what it considers to be high-value operations and where
there are targets it can afford to strike.
Hezbollah has received hundreds of millions of dollars over the
years from its patrons in Iran and Syria, but it also brings in
millions of dollars from a significant business network that spans
much of the globe.
Hezbollah has a long-standing and well-known presence in the
tri-border region of Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil, where the U.S.
government estimates it has earned tens of millions of dollars from
selling electronic goods, counterfeit luxury items and pirated
software, movies and music. It also has an even more profitable
network in West Africa that deals in "blood diamonds" from places
like Sierra Leone and the Republic of the Congo. Cells in Asia
procure and ship much of the counterfeit material sold elsewhere;
nodes in North America deal in smuggled cigarettes , baby formula
and counterfeit designer goods, among other things. In the United
States, Hezbollah also has been involved in smuggling
pseudoephedrine and selling counterfeit Viagra, and it has played a
significant role in the production and worldwide propagation of
counterfeit currencies.
The business empire of the Shiite organization also extends into
the drug trade. The Bekaa Valley, which it controls, is a major
center for growing poppies and cannabis; here also, heroin is
produced from raw materials arriving from places like Afghanistan
and the Golden Triangle. Hezbollah earns large percentages of the
estimated $1 billion drug trade flowing out of the Bekaa. Much of
the hashish and heroin emanating from there eventually arrive in
Europe -- where Hezbollah members also are involved in smuggling,
car theft and distribution of counterfeit goods and currency.
Since the Sept. 11 attacks, the U.S. government has targeted the
financial networks of Hezbollah along with those of al Qaeda and
other groups. Federal authorities have had some success in locating
and seizing Hezbollah assets, and several Hezbollah suspects have
been arrested in North Carolina and Michigan; nevertheless, the
flow of illicit funds has not been completely stemmed. There are
indications, however, that these efforts have cut into the
profitability of Hezbollah activities in North America and South
America and rendered the organization more dependent on nodes in
places like West Africa.
For the most part, the cells beyond the Middle East are used as
financial assets, but they also can be called upon to assist
Hezbollah's military wing in conducting militant operations. For
example, the Bangkok, Thailand, node assisted in the preparations
and logistics for the 1988 hijacking of Kuwait Airways Flight 422,
which was hijacked shortly after it departed Bangkok. Likewise, the
node in the tri-border region in South America was called upon to
aid in the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires and
the 1994 bombing of the Argentine Israelite Mutual Association
(AMIA), a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires.
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It is noteworthy that these operations were assisted by the local
Hezbollah infrastructure (and Iran's Ministry of Intelligence and
Security, through the Iranian embassies in Bangkok and Buenos
Aires) but were not actually conducted by them. To provide
plausible deniability, the actual attack teams in the past
generally were deployed from outside the targeted country.
Serious Strikes, Personal Motives
Following Hezbollah's 1983 strikes against the U.S. Embassy and the
Marine barracks in Beirut, a closely related Shiite organization in
Kuwait carried out a series of attacks -- including a truck bombing
targeting the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait City. Kuwaiti authorities
later arrested and convicted 17 Shia for involvement in that plot.
This group became known as the "Kuwaiti 17" or the "Dawa 17." Among
its members was Mustafa Youssef Badreddin, a cousin and
brother-in-law of senior Hezbollah operative Imad Mugniyah , who
has been described alternately as the head of Hezbollah's security
apparatus, as the group's chief of intelligence and as its chief of
special operations.
Securing Badreddin's freedom became a personal cause for Mugniyah,
who directed Hezbollah's military wing to undertake a rash of
operations for that end. These operations often involved Hezbollah
resources outside of Lebanon. Demands for the freedom of the Dawa
17 became standard in Hezbollah's hijackings and other activities.
(Badreddin escaped from prison after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in
August 1990.)
This pattern of personally motivated strikes continued. Israel's
assassination of Hezbollah leader Abbas Musawi in February 1992 was
followed by the bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires in
March -- immediately after the end of the 30-day mourning period.
And in July 1994 -- after the IDF had killed dozens of Hezbollah
members in a strike against the organization's Ein Dardara training
camp -- Hezbollah struck again at Jewish targets overseas, with the
vehicle bombing of the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires and
the attacks, eight days later, against the Israeli Embassy in
London and a Jewish charity in north London.
The pattern of attacks is noteworthy now, in light of recent
Israeli efforts to kill Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. Whether
an unsuccessful attempt would be sufficient, in Hezbollah's
thinking, to have set the clock ticking for a reprisal is not yet
clear.
"Off The Shelf" Planning
After the bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires, a team of
experienced U.S. post-blast investigators was dispatched to assist
the Argentine government with its investigation. One of their key
findings was that, due to the short lapse between the assassination
of Musawi and the attack on the embassy in Buenos Aires, the target
likely had been selected in advance and most of the operational
planning was done well before the operation was authorized. Then,
when the "launch" order was sent, the attack plan was quickly
updated and executed.
Observation of known Hezbollah operatives since that time, by U.S.
and allied government agencies, has affirmed that this appears to
remain the organization's preferred method of operation. In the 12
years since its last overseas attack, Hezbollah operatives have
been seen conducting surveillance in many parts of the world
(including the United States) -- at times, triggering arrests --
but no attacks have ensued. Therefore, it is believed that these
operatives have been carrying out preliminary operational planning
for hypothetical, future attacks. It is believed that the
leadership of Hezbollah's military wing has a large selection of
"off-the-shelf" plans that it can choose from should it decide to
mount attacks anywhere in the world. In all probability, targets
for "off-the-shelf" plans already have been mapped.
Using the Buenos Aires and London attacks as a gauge, it is
believed that Hezbollah is able to carry out strikes within four to
five weeks, once a decision to carry out an attack has been made.
Implications
There is a distinct possibility that, with the heavy strikes
launched against Hezbollah over the past week -- far worse than
that visited upon the group in the 1994 attack against Ein Dardara
-- Hezbollah might consider ordering reprisals against pre-selected
Israeli or Jewish targets in various places around the world. If
that hypothesis is true, it is logical that Hezbollah operatives
would be working now to update and execute their existing attack
plans. An important part of that process would involve additional
surveillance of targets -- to ensure that nothing had changed since
the last round of surveillance was completed and that no recent
security countermeasures have been added that could thwart the plan
as written.
This activity is likely under way, regardless of whether a "go"
order has been issued. Given that Hezbollah has been known to use
"off-the-shelf" plans, its operatives worldwide could be expected
to update strike plans during times of heightened tensions -- a
form of contingency planning, if you will.
Thus, it stands to reason that Hezbollah operatives would be
actively conducting surveillance at this moment. During periods of
surveillance -- which come during various stages of an attack
cycle -- operatives must commit certain kinds of acts that make
them vulnerable to detection. If a potential target set can be
determined, specific industries or businesses -- as well as
diplomatic targets and Jewish nongovernmental organizations -- can
set up appropriate security practices and countermeasures to
mitigate their risks.
In sum, law enforcement personnel and corporations and managers who
are responsible for the security of a facility or person that
conceivably might be targeted by Hezbollah should find
countersurveillance and surveillance detection assets especially
valuable during the next several weeks.
Mapping Potential Targets
As we have noted, Hezbollah has a global network that stretches
into South America, Europe, Asia and the Middle East.
Given the situation unfolding along the Israeli-Lebanese border, we
believe that, should the organization choose the path of terrorism
-- the traditional weapon of a weak foe against a much stronger
opponent -- Hezbollah would strike at Israeli targets abroad.
Historically, the group has had much greater success with attacks
in the developing world -- where weapons and materiel were readily
available -- than in more industrialized and secure regions like
Europe. The size differential between the vehicle-borne bombs
employed in 1994 in Buenos Aires (where Hezbollah was able to
purchase explosives commercially) and the smaller device operatives
were forced to use in London (where explosives were difficult to
obtain) is quite dramatic.
Additionally, authorities in places like the United States and
Europe will be stepping up their monitoring of known and suspected
Hezbollah members -- thus mitigating the risks of attack in those
regions relative to the risks in the developing world.
Also arguing against a Hezbollah strike in North America is the
severe backlash the group could expect to its financial operations.
Key business hubs, such as the trade in illicit diamonds in West
Africa, also would need to be protected.
Therefore, the risk of a Hezbollah strike logically would be
greatest in other parts of the developing world, where the overall
backlash to the organization's networks would be less severe.
Again, this argument assumes that Hezbollah both will find it
necessary to strike out at foreign targets and is not restrained by
either of its state sponsors. Should that be the case, however,
logic argues against another strike in Argentina; with Hezbollah
already having attacked there twice, security would be stiffened.
Instead, strikes might come in nearby countries like Paraguay
(where Hezbollah suspects were arrested while casing the U.S. and
Israeli embassies in Asuncion , in 1998) or Brazil.
Beyond South America, there are other countries that have strong
ties to Israel -- such as South Africa and Kenya -- which also
present themselves as potential targets. These are sufficiently
removed from Hezbollah's lucrative diamond business in West Africa
to be safe for action, and they are target-rich environments. The
same argument applies to Bangkok as well, where Hezbollah has
conducted operations before.
Stratfor: Alerts - July 21, 2006
Red Alert: The Battle Joined
The ground war has begun. Several Israeli brigades now appear to be
operating between the Lebanese border and the Litani River.
According to reports, Hezbollah forces are dispersed in multiple
bunker complexes and are launching rockets from these and other
locations.
Hezbollah's strategy appears to be threefold. First, force Israel
into costly attacks against prepared fortifications. Second, draw
Israeli troops as deeply into Lebanon as possible, forcing them to
fight on extended supply lines. Third, move into an Iraqi-style
insurgency from which Israel -- out of fear of a resumption of
rocket attacks -- cannot withdraw, but which the Israelis also
cannot endure because of extended long-term casualties. This
appears to have been a carefully planned strategy, built around a
threat to Israeli cities that Israel can't afford. The war has
begun at Hezbollah's time and choosing.
Israel is caught between three strategic imperatives. First, it
must end the threat to Israeli cities, which must involve the
destruction of Hezbollah's launch capabilities south of the Litani
River. Second, it must try to destroy Hezbollah's infrastructure,
which means it must move into the Bekaa Valley and as far as the
southern suburbs of Beirut. Third, it must do so in such a way that
it is not dragged into a long-term, unsustainable occupation
against a capable insurgency.
Hezbollah has implemented its strategy by turning southern Lebanon
into a military stronghold, consisting of well-designed bunkers
that serve both as fire bases and launch facilities for rockets.
The militants appear to be armed with anti-tank weapons and
probably anti-aircraft weapons, some of which appear to be of
American origin, raising the question of how they were acquired.
Hezbollah wants to draw Israel into protracted fighting in this
area in order to inflict maximum casualties and to change the
psychological equation for both military and political reasons.
Israelis historically do not like to fight positional warfare.
Their tendency has been to bypass fortified areas, pushing the
fight to the rear in order to disrupt logistics, isolate
fortifications and wait for capitulation. This has worked in the
past. It is not clear that it will work here. The great unknown is
the resilience of Hezbollah's fighters. To this point, there is no
reason to doubt it. Israel could be fighting the most resilient
and well-motivated opposition force in its history. But the truth
is that neither Israel nor Hezbollah really knows what performance
will be like under pressure.
Simply occupying the border-Litani area will not achieve any of
Israel's strategic goals. Hezbollah still would be able to use
rockets against Israel. And even if, for Hezbollah, this area is
lost, its capabilities in the Bekaa Valley and southern Beirut will
remain intact. Therefore, a battle that focuses solely on the south
is not an option for Israel, unless the Israelis feel a defeat here
will sap Hezbollah's will to resist. We doubt this to be the case.
The key to the campaign is to understand that Hezbollah has made
its strategic decisions. It will not be fighting a mobile war.
Israel has lost the strategic initiative: It must fight when
Hezbollah has chosen and deal with Hezbollah's challenge. However,
given this, Israel does have an operational choice. It can move in
a sequential fashion, dealing first with southern Lebanon and then
with other issues. It can bypass southern Lebanon and move into the
rear areas, returning to southern Lebanon when it is ready. It can
attempt to deal with southern Lebanon in detail, while mounting
mobile operations in the Bekaa Valley, in the coastal regions and
toward south Beirut, or both at the same time.
There are resource and logistical issues involved. Moving
simultaneously on all three fronts will put substantial strains on
Israel's logistical capability. An encirclement westward on the
north side of the Litani, followed by a move toward Beirut while
the southern side of the Litani is not secured, poses a serious
challenge in re-supply. Moving into the Bekaa means leaving a flank
open to the Syrians. We doubt Syria will hit that flank, but then,
we don't have to live with the consequences of an intelligence
failure. Israel will be sending a lot of force on that line if it
chooses that method. Again, since many roads in south Lebanon will
not be secure, that limits logistics.
Israel is caught on the horns of a dilemma. Hezbollah has created a
situation in which Israel must fight the kind of war it likes the
least -- attritional, tactical operations against prepared forces
-- or go to the war it prefers, mobile operations, with logistical
constraints that make these operations more difficult and
dangerous. Moreover, if it does this, it increases the time during
which Israeli cities remain under threat. Given clear failures in
appreciating Hezbollah's capabilities, Israel must take seriously
the possibility that Hezbollah has longer-ranged, anti-personnel
rockets that it will use while under attack.
Israel has been trying to break the back of Hezbollah resistance in
the south through air attack, special operations and probing
attacks. This clearly hasn't worked thus far. That does not mean it
won't work, as Israel applies more force to the problem and starts
to master the architecture of Hezbollah's tactical and operational
structure; however, Israel can't count on a rapid resolution of
that problem.
The Israelis have by now thought the problem through. They don't
like operational compromises -- preferring highly focused solutions
at the center of gravity of an enemy. Hezbollah has tried to deny
Israel a center of gravity and may have succeeded, forcing Israel
into a compromise position. Repeated assaults against prepared
positions are simply not something the Israelis can do, because
they cannot afford casualties. They always have preferred mobile
encirclement or attacks at the center of gravity of a defensive
position. But at this moment, viewed from the outside, this is not
an option.
An extended engagement in southern Lebanon is the least likely
path, in our opinion. More likely -- and this is a guess -- is a
five-part strategy:
1. Insert airmobile and airborne forces north of the Litani to
seal the rear of Hezbollah forces in southern Lebanon. Apply air
power and engineering forces to reduce the fortifications, and
infantry to attack forces not in fortified positions. Bottle them
up, and systematically reduce the force with limited exposure to
the attackers.
2. Secure roads along the eastern flank for an armored thrust deep
into the Bekaa Valley to engage the main Hezbollah force and
infrastructure there. This would involve a move from Qiryat Shimona
north into the Bekaa, bypassing the Litani to the west, and would
probably require sending airmobile and special forces to secure the
high ground. It also would leave the right flank exposed to Syria.
3. Use air power and special forces to undermine Hezbollah
capabilities in the southern Beirut area. The Israelis would
consider a move into this area after roads through southern Lebanon
are cleared and Bekaa relatively secured, moving into the area,
only if absolutely necessary, on two axes of attack.
4. Having defeated Hezbollah in detail, withdraw under a political
settlement shifting defense responsibility to the Lebanese
government.
5. Do all of this while the United States is still able to provide
top cover against diplomatic initiatives that will create an
increasingly difficult international environment.
There can be many variations on this theme, but these elements are
inevitable:
1. Hezbollah cannot be defeated without entering the Bekaa Valley,
at the very least.
2. At some point, resistance in southern Lebanon must be dealt
with, regardless of the cost.
3. Rocket attacks against northern Israel and even Tel Aviv must
be accepted while the campaign unfolds.
4. The real challenge will come when Israel tries to withdraw.
No. 4 is the real challenge. Destruction of Hezbollah's
infrastructure does not mean annihilation of the force. If Israel
withdraws, Hezbollah or a successor organization will regroup. If
Israel remains, it can wind up in the position the United States is
in Iraq. This is exactly what Hezbollah wants. So, Israel can buy
time, or Israel can occupy and pay the cost. One or the other.
The other solution is to shift the occupational burden to another
power that is motivated to prevent the re-emergence of an
anti-Israeli military force -- as that is what Hezbollah has
become. The Lebanese government is the only possible alternative,
but not a particularly capable one, reflecting the deep rifts in
Lebanon.
Israel has one other choice, which is to extend the campaign to
defeat Syria as well. Israel can do this, but the successor regime
to Syrian President Bashar al Assad likely would be much worse for
Israel than al Assad has been. Israel can imagine occupying Syria;
it can't do it. Syria is too big and the Arabs have learned from
the Iraqis how to deal with an occupation. Israel cannot live with
a successor to al Assad and it cannot take control of Syria. It
will have to live with al Assad. And that means an occupation of
Lebanon would always be hostage to Syrian support for insurgents.
Hezbollah has dealt Israel a difficult hand. It has thought through
the battle problem as well as the political dimension carefully.
Somewhere in this, there has been either an Israeli intelligence
failure or a political failure to listen to intelligence.
Hezbollah's capabilities have posed a problem for Israel that
allowed Hezbollah to start a war at a time and in a way of its
choosing. The inquest will come later in Israel. And Hezbollah will
likely be shattered regardless of its planning. The correlation of
forces does not favor it. But if it forces Israel not only to
defeat its main force but also to occupy, Hezbollah will have
achieved its goals.
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| gorky Black Bloc
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I had promised myself not to get involved in another internet thread.
However, I'm sitting watching BBC News 24. My blood is boiling. Today the IDF murdered some UN observers. Probably a handy thing to do if you're about to commit war crimes. They've also bombed the Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation (targeting journalists is a war crime, but I'm sure the IDF will claim that the make up girls at the LBC are terrorist wannabes). Yesterday they took out some ambulances.
I'm not in the mood to give Simon's points a good Fisking, despite the inaccuracies in his account of how the current conflict started.
Anyway, the current situation is that there are two IDF soldiers held hostage by Hezbollah. Then there are 3.7 million Lebanese held hostage by the IDF.
Israel should stop bombing the Lebanese people into a pink mist. At this rate they're making Hamas look like moderates.
PS
In other news the IDF are using Palestinian civilians as human shields:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5212870.stm
PPS
The BBC is on the case of the conflict's real victims:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5213602.stm
This is typically British. Our first concern when a war breaks out is the evacuation of our own citizens and then whatever animals happen to be left behind. The people actually dying are of least concern. |
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| Dear Prudence Black Bloc
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Didn't read any of those uber long posts, but Gorky, although I agree that Israel is committing war crimes, surely the point has to be made that Hezbollah is exacerbating the problem by hiding amongst civilians deliberately?
See Harry's Place http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/ for reasons why I wouldn't go on an anti-war march now. Let's not forget that, while Israel are committing war crimes, their opposition is to some extent applauding and glorifying what everyone knows to be TERRORISTS who want to DESTROY ISRAEL. I will never march side by side by people who say 'have faith in Nasrallah', someone who blatantly hates Jews and wants them to 'gather in Israel so we don't have to go after them elsewhere'.
And while you're at it, check out the disgraceful cartoon below that some 'anti-war' cartoonist thought would be suitable for the march.
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2006/07/25/whose_cartoon.php _________________ 'Men make their own history, but not of their own free will; not under circumstances they themselves have chosen'
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| steven Black Bloc
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| This whole Middle East thing is one of those things that I won't pretend to know enough about to comment intelligently. But this is the internet, spiritual home of unintelligent commentary, and I've never been averse to the occasional impressionistic post. Basically, I agree with Gorky - the fact that there are terrorists in Lebanon is not really a very good excuse for horrific, completely disproportionate Israeli response. The idea that collectively punishing the Lebanese people because they must implicitly support Hezbollah is ridiculous - would you like the whole of Britain to be collectively punished because we allow the BNP to exist in our midst and must therefore implicitly support them? And going on any anti-war march always associates you with unsavoury types that want the destruction of Israel - again, the beliefs (and cartoons) of a minority does not make the majority opinion worthless - you wouldn't say all danes are racist because of the cartoons of Mohammed, and equally not all anti-war protesters agree with sensationalist cartoons featuring bad charicatures of Jewish people. I'm sure I have talked b*llo*k, and I'm positive that I could continue doing so for many pages, but I feel I should probably just shut up before I say anything stupid(er). |
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| steven Black Bloc
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| And having looked at the Harry's Place website, it appears to be a gathering place for people to try and justify anything Israel does (particularly liked the bit where they try and justify bombing a UN outpost), so it's probably not the most objective place to get information on the anti-war movement. |
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| gorky Black Bloc
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, a discussion on the politics of the Middle East. Everyone goes temporarily insane.
Well we're all agreed that ignoring the STRATBORE reports is a good idea.
| Quote: | | Didn't read any of those uber long posts, but Gorky, although I agree that Israel is committing war crimes, surely the point has to be made that Hezbollah is exacerbating the problem by hiding amongst civilians deliberately |
No Hezbollah fighters in the ambulances. No Hezbollah fighters at the UN post. This is before we take into account the destruction of Lebanon's infrastructure: Roads, airpoirts and even a lighthouse. Nothing to do with Hezbollah, yet apparently essential targets.
Take the following analogy, a criminal with a gun is hiding in large supermarket. The police don't know what he looks like. He's fired a shot or two at them before going into the supermarket and hiding amongst the shoppers. Does this justify machine gunning the crowd of shoppers indiscriminately on the grounds that the gun man is there somewhere?
I would say not.
Why should people be punished with death for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Especially when more often it not it seems the IDF are wrong and our simply bombing civilians. Why does the IDF get the benefit of the doubt whilst Hezbollah doesn't?
Furthermore I think these comments by a former IDF commander, General Gur, responsible for IDF operations in Lebanon during the 1970s are rather revealing:
| Quote: | Q-But military communiqués always spoke of returning fire and counterstrikes against terrorist objectives.
A-Please be serious. Did you not know that the entire valley of the Jordan had been emptied of its inhabitants as the result of the war of attrition?
Q-Then you claim that the population ought to be punished?
A-Of course, and I have never had any doubt about that. When I authorised Yanouch [diminutive name for the commander of the northern front, responsible for the Lebanese operation] to use aviation, artillery and tanks [in the invasion] I knew exactly what I was doing. It has now been thirty years, from the time of our Independence War, until now, that we have been fighting the civilian [Arab] population which inhabited the villages and towns, and everytime that we do it, the same question gets asked: should we or should we not strike at civilians?[Al-Hamishmar, May 10, 1978] |
From The Question of Palestine by Edward Said
Although many years have past since these comments were made the IDF's approach to Lebanon seems rather familiar...
| Quote: | | Let's not forget that, while Israel are committing war crimes, their opposition is to some extent applauding and glorifying what everyone knows to be TERRORISTS who want to DESTROY ISRAEL. I will never march side by side by people who say 'have faith in Nasrallah', someone who blatantly hates Jews and wants them to 'gather in Israel so we don't have to go after them elsewhere'. |
I'd say that Hezbollah has a right to defend the Lebanese nation against attack especially as the Lebanese army is incapable of doing so, they've certainly been fighting the IDF, proof was provided of that by yesterdays IDF casualties. Of course that doesn't justify the rocket attacks on Israel, but these were launched after Israel attacked civilian targets in Lebanon.
Glad you acknowledge the IDF war crimes. Those crimes are far and away greater than the Hezbollah attacks on Israeli civilians. This isn't an equal contest. Lebanon doesn't have a military capable of defending it from IDF attacks. Its like shooting fish in a barrel.
The interesting thing about this conflict is that it is uniting Lebanese society. Christians, Communists, Hezbollah and so on are forming a united front to combat Israel. Quite a change from a country which fought a vicious sectarian war only two decades ago.
Strangely enough one of the Hezbollah prisoners in Israel is actually Jewish:
| Quote: | | Israel also holds a Jewish-Lebanese man, known as Nissim Nasser, arrested in 2002 and accused of spying for Hezbollah |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5211930.stm
So Hezbollah seems to stretch its appeal widely, even if this is very much the exception rather than the rule.
Whilst Hezbollah want to destroy Israel they don't have a hope in hell of achieving that goal. Israel has the most advanced military in the Middle East, well funded and trained. They have the backing of a superpower. They also have the nuclear bomb.
Hezbollah is a small irregular volunteer organisations, without tanks, aircraft, superpower support or the nuclear bomb. In short they don't have a chance of destroying Israel. This is not a war about Israel's survival. Hezbollah's immediate objectives have long concentrated on liberating southern Lebanon (the IDF final left in 2000 and the Sheba Farms area is still disputed) and getting their POWs back from Israel.
I don't think many Hezbollah members go on London marches, but you never know. Plenty of Lebanese people support them because it their actions that finally got the IDF out of Lebanon in 2000 and they're seen as defenders of the nation. Lebanese expats might well go on London protests, but the reasons for supporting Hezbollah are complex.
Otherwise, I agree with Steven regarding Harry's Place. Regarding the cartoon, Harry's Place loved the racist caricature of Mohammed, perhaps those without sin should cast the first stone. |
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| higuy Black Bloc
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Im not taking a cast iron side in this debate, I just have two things to contribute:
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No Hezbollah fighters in the ambulances. No Hezbollah fighters at the UN post. This is before we take into account the destruction of Lebanon's infrastructure: Roads, airpoirts and even a lighthouse. Nothing to do with Hezbollah, yet apparently essential targets.
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This must in part by the Israeli tactics. You acknowledge that 'Lebannon' and 'Hezbollah' are two seperate entities. However attaching the Lebanese infrastructure which is being used by Hezbollah could be seen as a justified method of war. Many French bridges where destroyed in the Second World War to fight the Germans. It didnt mean we were fighting the french. I think at the end of the day a more enlightened approach would be for Israel to take what is a pro-Western government in Beirut and attempt to turn it againt Hezbollah. But what am i gonna do?
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I'd say that Hezbollah has a right to defend the Lebanese nation against attack especially as the Lebanese army is incapable of doing so, they've certainly been fighting the IDF, proof was provided of that by yesterdays IDF casualties. Of course that doesn't justify the rocket attacks on Israel, but these were launched after Israel attacked civilian targets in Lebanon.
Hezbollah is a small irregular volunteer organisations, without tanks, aircraft, superpower support or the nuclear bomb. In short they don't have a chance of destroying Israel. This is not a war about Israel's survival. Hezbollah's immediate objectives have long concentrated on liberating southern Lebanon (the IDF final left in 2000 and the Sheba Farms area is still disputed) and getting their POWs back from Israel.
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Im quite uncomfortable with that. First an foremost any war must by definition be fought between two sovereign nation states. The current middle East conflict I do not believe can be classified as a war. Israel are fighting Hezbollah, not Lebannon, this is a terrorist organisation. As much as I do not agree with the tactics the Isralies undertake I do not believe Hezbollah have any right or duty to take up arms against Israel. When Lebannon was occupied, fair enough, you could claim it was seld defense and a fight for freedom, I can just about go with that. But to then go on and fire Kitusya missiles into Israel; they are no longer freedom fighters at that point. Only the soverign government of a country have a right to declare war and Hezbollah are not this.
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| steven Black Bloc
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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If Israel are fighting Hezbollah, not Lebanon, why is it the Lebanese citizens that seem to be getting shat on from a great height? And let's face it: Israel won't declare war on Lebanon because they're getting away perfectly well with calling this travesty 'self-defence'; if Lebanon declare war on Israel, which might be justified as they're being bombed by them, they'll get called the agressors and again the Israeli state comes out smelling like roses.
And while it might potentially be justifiable to bomb infrastructure like roads and airports (or at least it would be if you were at war with the state you were bombing, which Israel apparently aren't), how can it ever be justifiable to bomb ambulances or the UN? |
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| gorky Black Bloc
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | This must in part by the Israeli tactics. You acknowledge that 'Lebannon' and 'Hezbollah' are two seperate entities. However attaching the Lebanese infrastructure which is being used by Hezbollah could be seen as a justified method of war. Many French bridges where destroyed in the Second World War to fight the Germans. It didnt mean we were fighting the french. |
Well, technically we were fighting a French government. We were fighting the Vichy government which ruled part of France and parts of the French Empire in alliance with the Germans. At the same time we backed a rival Free French government in exile.
I think a better comparison for this conflict is Britain and Ireland. If Britain had acted as the Israeli government does today every Provisional IRA (PIRA)bomb on the mainland would have been met with a bombing campaign against Dublin by the RAF.
The two conflicts are actually quite similar. The IRA waged what was known as the Border Campaign between 1956 and 1962. Launching attacks from the Republic of Ireland on the British military and Loyalist targets. Using the reasoning of the Israeli politicians today the British government should have bombed the Republic of Ireland or even invaded.
Instead Britain tackled the militant Irish Republican groups within the borders of Northern Ireland. A strategy that was successful in the long term.
| Quote: | | I think at the end of the day a more enlightened approach would be for Israel to take what is a pro-Western government in Beirut and attempt to turn it againt Hezbollah. But what am i gonna do? |
Hezbollah have two seats in the cabinet of the current Lebanese government, so I don't think the government is entirely pro-western.
Why should Israel interfere in affairs of sovereign state and decide the policy of a democratically elected Lebanese government?
In my opinion the Lebanese government can't disarm Hezbollah, even if it wanted to do so, for the following reasons:
- It risks restarting the Lebanese civil war. The politics of Lebanon are still highly sectarian, the parliament etc. are carefully balanced to ensure equal representation for all religious groups. An attempt to disarm Hezbollah could be seen as a move by one of these groups (most probably the Christians) to place themselves in a favoured position.
- The Lebanese army is weak and not only in terms of arms. The army is composed of many faiths, but Shi'a Muslims predominate. They're unlikely take part in action against Hezbollah a fellow Shi'a Muslim group. Ordering the army could provoke a revolt by the ranks. Alternatively the deployment of the army could be seen as an attempt by one religious group to use the state against their sectarian rivals. Again this opens the possibility of renewed civil war.
- Hezbollah are hugely popular across many sectors of Lebanese society. They've provided health care, welfare and basic services (e.g. rubbish collection) when the Lebanese state could provide none of these things.
- Hezbollah are seen by many Lebanese are predominantly nationalist rather than a religious group (e.g. they pushed the IDF out of Israel in 2000). In keeping with this tradition Hezbollah have made overtures to Christian groups and attempted to be less sectarian than other militia groups in Lebanon (e.g. they stood on an electoral list with the Lebanese Communist Party, an organisation dominated by people from Christian backgrounds). This gives them a degree of genuine national support.
- Hezbollah is backed by Syria which finally left Lebanon in 2005. A crack down on Hezbollah could cause a Syrian invasion or intervention.
The Israeli government know all to well that it is asking for the impossible from the Lebanese by telling them to disarm Hezbollah, yet they still continue to punish the Lebanese people.
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Im quite uncomfortable with that. First an foremost any war must by definition be fought between two sovereign nation states. The current middle East conflict I do not believe can be classified as a war. |
So you clearly don't count the English Civil War as a war (not between two sovereign states), or any civil war for that matter. Nor was the Vietminh struggle against the French a war, just a prolonged series of military operations.
| Quote: | | Israel are fighting Hezbollah, not Lebannon, this is a terrorist organisation |
Ye Gads! You better e-mail the Lebanese Army at once! Someone hasn't told them they're not at war:
http://www.lebarmy.gov.lb/article.asp?ln=en&id=11470
http://www.lebarmy.gov.lb/article.asp?ln=en&id=11392
| Quote: | | But to then go on and fire Kitusya missiles into Israel; they are no longer freedom fighters at that point. Only the soverign government of a country have a right to declare war and Hezbollah are not this. |
I think the rocket attacks are wrong. But why does a Hezbollah attack cause them to lose the moral highground in your eyes? The IDF has killed hundreds of Lebanese, why hasn't their right to self-defence become an organised slaughter in your view? The IDF have deployed cluster bombs against civilians areas and 900,000 people are now displaced in Lebanon (about 1/4 of the population). It's a major humanitarian disaster.
There's terror on both sides, but Hezbollah's terror pales in comparison to the IDFs. The current "score" is about 20 Israeli civilians dead to about 400 Lebanese. The Lebanese economy has been wrecked, their journalists and paramedics are targets. That's before we start talking about what's going on in Gaza and the West Bank. It doesn't make the rocket attacks justified, but Israel could stop this tomorrow and negotiate a prisoner exchange. |
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| steven Black Bloc
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The current "score" is about 20 Israeli civilians dead to about 400 Lebanese. |
Ironically, according to today's Guardian there have so far been slightly more Israeli military casualties than Hezbollah casualties, and many more Lebanese citizens have been killed than Israeli ones - this is fairly unfortunate since apparently they're only bombing the civilian population to attack Hezbollah members.
I've also seen Vietnam mentioned, which I think brings up an interesting comparison - the Vietcong were a guerilla army that hid in jungle communities; to attack them the US bombed the crap out of those communities; they ended up having very little success. We now have Hezbollah hiding amongst Lebanese communities, so what does Israel do? Bomb the crap out of those communities. No wonder they say 'military intelligence' is an oxymoron.
Plus the way this is going it will soon (if it isn't already) be inaccurate to say that Hezbollah is 'hiding' within Lebanese communities - indiscriminate attacks like this will only radicalise huge amounts of people until Hezbollah becomes the community.
And on a slightly different topic, was anyone else actually physically repulsed when they learnt that Britain was one of only two countries to vote against the call for an immediate ceasefire? And for the excellent non-reason that "you would probably be back in hostilities in a few days" - I do hope Margeret Beckett can sleep at night having said that. The whole incident just makes me wonder at what a pathetic, morally corrupt state we seem to have sunk into.
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I do hope Margeret Beckett can sleep at night |
Well what do you expect from the one person who makes Jack Straw look competent when he did the job. She's a absolutely clueless nutter. Absolutely useless at environment secretary, useless at this, say what you want about Jack Straw (and let's face it I usually do, and it aint complimentary) and least he had personality and a clue of what was going on.
As for the rest of it, yeah I agree with Steven, I don't care what side you're on on this debate, you're not going to solve anything while everyone's bombing the crap out of each other. You're hardly gonna diminish support for an organisation by bombing the crap out of the population where the organisation is based, fuel to their fire. Israel don't seem to get this, that by bombing people and unilaterally doing stuff they fuel support for disreputable organisations such as Hamas and Hezbollah. "I don't care who started it, we're finishing it" should be the attitude of the UK and US governments, but tis not alas.
On a related point this is why Hamas won the election, cos Israel didn't engage enough with Abbas and Fatah about withdrawls and ceasefires etc. Didn't seem to be getting anywhere between Fatah and Israel, in terms of long term stuff. And then low and behold they are all angry and shocked when Hamas get elected. Well d'uh!
But before we all go off on one about Israel as a country, tis worth remembering they're not all as nuts as the IDF and its government. Had an email today from a friend in Israel, bemoaning the the current crisis and the actions of her government. _________________ Big Brother is watching YOU! |
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Good points Steven and JulienP. The latest statements from the Israeli Justice Minister is rather interesting:
| Quote: | | "All those now in south Lebanon are terrorists who are related in some way to Hezbollah," Mr Ramon said. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5219360.stm
| Quote: | | "Asked by Israel Army Radio whether entire villages should be flattened, [the Israeli Justice Minister] said: “These places are not villages. They are military bases in which Hezbollah people are hiding and from which they are operating.” |
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