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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm reading a book called Darwin's Black Box. Its anti-evolution but not pro-creation. Deals with the idea of evolution on a molecular level. Only just started but seems good.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now on "Around The World In 80 Days"
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started yesterday and finished today a book called "The Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini. In a nutshell, it's about the experiences of a young Afghan boy and his best friend since birth, his family's servant's son. It follows the boy through his life in Afghanistan and as he is forced to flee to America. It's a very powerful story full of love, loss, betrayal and the destruction of a much-loved country in turn by the Russians, the Northern Alliance and the Taliban.

It's not the kind of book I'd think I'd enjoy - my inclination would have been to say "well, why would I particularly want to read a book about a kid in Afghanistan?" and not bother if it hadn't had such good recommendations from several relatives who'd been passing the book around. Well worth it - it was deep but quite an easy read, and I devoured it in a matter of hours (rail replacement buses are boring).
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finished reading Brighton Rock (Graham Greene) the other day. It was immensely depressing, but brilliant. I highly recommend it. And living right next to Brighton it was really cool to imagine everything that happens in the book. Really well written - Greene's portrayal of different types of humans and their behaviour is inspired, intelligent yet eerily chilling. Might read some more of his stuff...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a big crime thriller reader..... I love Agatha Christie being a fellow Devonian.....

Most recent book is Murder on the Orient Express or even Cat in the Mews ... brilliant just need to extend my taste beyond the Poirot books any suggestions on crime thriller books???

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes mate, you need to read "Ten Little n*gg*r" by Christie, it's set in Devon! Once you're done with that then some Mary Higgins Clark and there is a great book called "Surprise Party" by William Katz
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes mate, you need to read "Ten Little n*gg*r" by Christie,


Excuse me? It's been called 'And then there were none' for many years because she's so blatantly racist.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shockingly I already have that book .... in fact I have the same story with the 2 different titles ...

I pretty much own the whole collection was hoping to move beyond Agatha Christie to otehr crime thrillers and writers

Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Prudence wrote:
Teapotboy wrote:
Yes mate, you need to read "Ten Little n*gg*r" by Christie,


Excuse me? It's been called 'And then there were none' for many years because she's so blatantly racist.


Being blatantly racist is no excuse to censor them, surely a Radish lover would accept that?

"The subtitle or alternative title, And Then There Were None, presents another aspect of embedded racism, which is that of genocide. Rarely is the connection made from this ideological message of the title of the play to centuries of racism, colonization, and genocide. "And then there were none" has often been the intended goal of many colonial governments as well as that of U.S. government policies." http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/20_01/agat201.shtml
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are forgettin the generation and era that she comes from..... pretty much the whole of the population (yes i'm generalising here) were racist so its bit unfair to pick on one writer I'm sure if you looked at most they also would be.

On a slightly jokey note.... she is from devon and whilst this does not permit her negativity racially I'm pretty sure her country roots arent doing the best in helping her..... she's a great writer and I think the way she writes and keeps you guessing to the end illustrates the strength and character that she possesses.... Sorry I feel like i'm idolising now.... shuting up

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also the fact that she uses the term "n*gg*r" which we now see as offensive (though not exclusively, listen to rap music for example), doesn't mean she meant it offensively at the time. Compare with Huck Finn, not a racist bone in his body yet it is the only word he knows to describe a black person.

On the other hand I will admit she does seem a little anti-Semitic at times - contrarily though there are books she wrote under the pseudonym Mary Westmacott which portray a Jewish family positively.

It does seem that people on this forum tend towards grand propagandist assertions rather than considered opinions. Doesn't say much for Birmingham students really.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teapotboy wrote:

Being blatantly racist is no excuse to censor them, surely a Radish lover would accept that?

"The subtitle or alternative title, And Then There Were None, presents another aspect of embedded racism, which is that of genocide. Rarely is the connection made from this ideological message of the title of the play to centuries of racism, colonization, and genocide. "And then there were none" has often been the intended goal of many colonial governments as well as that of U.S. government policies." http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/20_01/agat201.shtml


Surely there's no such thing as a generic Radish point of view, as has been stated by many of the organisers themself?

My point was, regardless of whether it's right or wrong to censor that title, why did YOU decide to use the old offensive one? I'm not entirely sure what I believe about absolute freedom of speech/expression, but I'm sure that calling a book 'Ten Little n*gg*r' is pretty foul, in today's culture, which is what you are posting in.

'And then there were none' is also a common turn of speech, often reminiscent of nursery rhymes, and aside from that you have to dig pretty hard to find the dirt on that whereas the word 'n*gg*r' is nowadays symbolic of gross attitudes towards members of society. My point is not that THEN it was offensive (although it was STILL derogatory) but that now it is, and the most well-known title of the book is now And Then There Were None, so why would someone from our generation deliberately choose to use a title which quite frankly makes me want to throw things around the room?

Have a little more respect - 'grand propagandist assertions'? Just because I disagree with you does not mean I do not hold 'considered opinions', and you ought to consider that before being so rude.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wasn't the disagreeing with me (many do), it was the calling her "blatantly racist". I didn't use the "old offensive" one, I used the "original authentic" one. If you object to the racism in the book then you should argue for the removal of all the racist content, not just the PC window-dressing of its title. So you should object to me suggesting anyone read it at all, under any title. However, I believe that me reading racist, homophobic, misogynist, whatever books doesn't turn me into a hateful person (many don't). And certainly, just changing the title is like pissing on a guy on fire.

In which case maybe we should sweep through all books everywhere and burn all the ones which don't fit your view of what is appropriate content.So we could have nice pyres in the street, it would warm up these chilly evenings.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Prudence wrote:
My point was, regardless of whether it's right or wrong to censor that title, why did YOU decide to use the old offensive one? I'm not entirely sure what I believe about absolute freedom of speech/expression, but I'm sure that calling a book 'Ten Little n*gg*r' is pretty foul, in today's culture, which is what you are posting in.

No, it's not. Not as far as I'm concerned. Regardless of what we think of that title, if that's what the book is called then it's perfectly reasonably to refer to it as such. It's listed on Amazon as such, and the movie of the same name is listed on IMDB. Are they being racist?

Maybe we live in more enlightened times, but I don't like the idea of retroactively correcting history, even if it's something unsavoury like this title. For instance, it's one thing if they want to make a Dambusters movie without calling the dog "n*gg*r", and that can be debated, but entirely another if someone actually gets censured for referring to what is a fact.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SimonM wrote:

No, it's not. Not as far as I'm concerned. Regardless of what we think of that title, if that's what the book is called then it's perfectly reasonably to refer to it as such. It's listed on Amazon as such, and the movie of the same name is listed on IMDB. Are they being racist?


Well, yeah - seeing as the title has been 'And then there were none' for years I think it's ridiculous that they still use the old title. But whatever, who really cares.
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