Why don't we have a Men's Association?

James Bowes · Black Bloc

There was a comment on the other thread that men aren't discriminated against in society, however in some areas such as divorce laws, amount of paternity leave and access to children.

I'm not sure there are enough issues to start up an Association though, and one could be started with absolute majority from Guild Council.

I do think the Women's Officer should possibly have been a 'Gender Equality Officer' even though 80-90% of the job would be women's issues.

There is at least one male running for it, and they should have the right to, as the constitution doesn't allow discrimination based on gender. Of course their chances of getting elected are reduced, but if they can do a good job why stop them.

Posco Hamwich · Street Demonstrator

Correct me if im wrong but wasnt there a motion passed at GC last year which would prevent the formation of a mens association anyway.

Teapotboy · Black Bloc

No because two GCs have passed since then so people could try again if wanted.

theanonymousgeographer · Black Bloc

No-one has actually given a reason that there isn't one yet.

Posco Hamwich · Street Demonstrator

theanonymousgeographer · Black Bloc

doc_ido · Sandal-wearing bean eater

sallamino · Black Bloc

well said doc ido/ joe rooney

arent people bored of this argument yet?

theanonymousgeographer · Black Bloc

That logic is stupid Joe. We dont need a mens association because we have a womens one? Give me a break. The point is that white straight males are discriminated against as they do not have an association.

And still no-one has given me a reason why they dont need one.

This is typical Guild crap from people i expected better from.

covuni2ney · Meeting Facilitator

What makes me laugh at your uni is the fact that the Christian union (or a christian union) got thrown out the Guild for not allowing other religious faiths to join (lmfao). It's mere politics.

It's the same reason you get a Black Police Officers Association but not a White Police Officers Association. If you are white, you are presumed racist by segregating in society.

And don't even start to say "white people don't face racism" (Heywood i'm staring at you there) as The police case clearly shows, recently a white male gained compensation from a police force as they didn't recruit him because of his skin colour (the police force was positively discriminating in order to fill quotas).

well... such is life.
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scruffy · Black Bloc

nick_b · Street Demonstrator

[quote]
The debate, to my mind, hinges around the fact that people confuse the words 'equal' and 'same' and 'opposite'. I think confusion is also found around issues that INVOLVE men and issues that effect equality BECAUSE they're men. [/quote]

what? not that i find this whole debate particularly interesting, but i at least like to understand the majority of most sentences written on it. where and when and how and why do people confuse those words? and what does the second sentence mean too? i'm sure hugely valid and terribly important points are being made here, but in an entirely incoherent way. please clarify, cos i'm a mite confused.

steven · Black Bloc

Positive discrimination isn't really a form of racism, it's a fairly sensible way of trying to get rid of institutional racism as far as I can see. The sad truth is that if everyone joining the police force was white, many black people would not join because they would fear institutional racism. People who are against positive discrimination would then anomolously use this as evidence that black people don't want to join the police force. It could also be suggested that, for example, in areas with a predominant black population, the majority of police officers should be black to reduce the possibility of racism against the black community and to allow the community to trust the police more.

But we're not discussing whether we need a White Person's Association, so that's a little off-topic.

covuni2ney · Meeting Facilitator