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Gaz Hughes - Review of the Presidential Year
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Should we re-elect Gaz as President?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah ok, that makes sense, but which other labourite would run? Surely no member of BUGS Labour Club would dare not tow the party line Wink Laughing

There is another Labour Candidate not sure if I should say who she is or not


She's not keeping it vastly secretive - she was apparently at a P&P banner painting that I wasn't at, soliciting the environmental vote (good luck with that one).
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Well say who it bloody well is then....behaving like this is kind of pathetic dont you think? I KNOW there is another candidate from Labour but i dont think its the OFFICIAL candidate, unfortunately i dont know who it is. In my opinion people on this forum should have a serious think about whether or not we want more NOLS stooges in our union or whether we could start talking about banding together (again) and putting in a group of people (not a slate of course !!!!) who might actually be willing to pursue all the ideas that everyone talks about on this forum. I know not everyone agrees but that could be reflected in whoever gets in, at least you would have a group of people who wanted to make the guild better instead of furthering their careers and enhancing their egos...do we really want ANOTHER year of NOLS?!

( Oh, they do have OFFICIAL candidates btw...obviously practising for obediently towing the party line when they are older. Its all quite sad really, they line them up years in advance and have their own little leadership contests)

EDIT: Its someone called Rhea Keehn apparently but then i guess everyone already knew that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have official candidates? That's...weird. What happens when someone breaks ranks and wants to stand against another Labour person? As for getting a decent bunch of people elected, who actually have the Guild rather than their political careers in mind - I like it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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( Oh, they do have OFFICIAL candidates btw...obviously practising for obediently towing the party line when they are older. Its all quite sad really, they line them up years in advance and have their own little leadership contests)


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They have official candidates? That's...weird. What happens when someone breaks ranks and wants to stand against another Labour person?


Erm well officially, they don't, not allowed under Guild constitution, bye-laws, or diktats, or whatever. But there are unofficial official candidates, for example the unofficial official candidate for everyone's favourite drinking society last year was Richard Morris.

What happens when someone breaks ranks with Labour, well erm they go onto win the London Mayoral elections, or win an enormous amount of respect by making principled anti-war stands. Oh no wait sorry, that only happens nationally.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Labour Students aren't allowed to do lots of things that they do. Charge just £1 for membership, for instance. Of course they select candidates to slate for the various positions - it's the worst-kept secret in Guild politics.

The rules against societies not supporting any candidate are watery enough that they're rendered powerless - how do you draw the line between a society supporting a candidate and a bunch of mates discussing the elections? Can you call a short recess in the middle of a meeting, "take your society hat off" and ask people to vote for your candidate? Elections committee can't monitor every meeting and communication of every society, not to mention the fact that half of them are members of Labour Students anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of course they select candidates to slate for the various positions - it's the worst-kept secret in Guild politics.


Thats probably how i know about all this then! Smile

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...not to mention the fact that half of them are members of Labour Students anyway.


uuuuhhhh....back to what i was saying before Smile

Im certainly not suggesting that they should Shocked . I just find the secrecy and the scheming quite pathetic, although understandable if they are to get into trouble for it. I guess that is politics...it doesnt have to be though Smile.

Oh...and i think this year they have actually chosen gary (or maybe not wooooooo how exciting) and this other person has broken ranks on their own initiative and probably garnered a little support for it in the process....well they have to make their lives interesting eh! Some people just arent true socialists see, they are willing to betray the revolution as soon as they get the chance. We call these people counter - revolutionary and against the will of the people, and they must be dealt with!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

New from Gaz, from http://bucf.wordpress.com

I’m going to stand again because the law and the University are demanding results from a different sort of Guild, the University is radically changing and being a quality union is something we are capable of, but we need leadership with the right priorities. We need to be talking about a Guild that is democratic, student-led and serious about academic representation. The University gives us over a million pounds to be representatives, nothing else. I want to see a focused Guild that makes Birmingham degress value for money because research and teaching is excellent, valuable for graduates when they leave because our reputation is solid and valued by society because we take widening access and participation seriously in an education market.

I want to do this by fighting for student representation and training at the highest levels of the new Colleges and an indication of where your fee money goes so that we can find out how much we get for our education and demand the full extent of it.

I want to increase the involvement of postgraduate, international, women, black, disabled and LGBT students in our democracy and our priority campaigns.

I want to continue to fund our campaigning societies proportionately more because they are what get people active and not just doing activties. I want to use our money to inspire people to take action and make change because they can and I want to promote accountability - from the University and the Guild for the quality of service it provides.

If you have any questions or ideas about how I can make the Guild better, please email me - g.hughes@bugs.bham.ac.uk
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Seems to me like a lot of wishes and statements but not much hard policy. Seems quite similar to the Tories, rather appropriate that he posted this on bucf then. I do find it rather amusing that Gary decides to post more on a blog that has been constantly unconstructively criticising him, Mason and labour students, and that he has called tragic on this very forum, than the Radish. Although he was once compared to a whale p*n*s on here, so it is very much a case of the pot calling the kettle black Wink

This is the same sort of stuff we heard last year and I am also not too keen on the use of phrases such as education market, the marketisation of university courses and university in general is something I am not brilliantly keen on.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: apply within Reply with quote

hello

I'm sorry I've not been postng as often as I would like but I am often quite tired and rarely get the chance to browse forums anymore (I only see the BUCF one when they put a picture up about me - they're all printed and on the wall). I hope noone has confused absence from the Radish with contempt for democracy.

This argument never fails to make me wonder exactly what decisions I have taken that follow Downing Street over Guild. I haven't invaded any countries as far as I know, or closed any hospitals that I'm aware of. Can anyone tell me what I've done? Or tell me how they think all the people in NOLS, NUS and so forth are lining up Cabinet jobs and fixing General Election results years in the future to get them there? It'd be a secret worth knowing.

I think that the Guild has had a difficult first term which has left a lot of people tired. We've had some failures and some successes. Some would say that this is pretty typical of any organisation ever in the history of the world rather than an indication of anything else.

I do know that
Sabrina has won agreements from the University for substantial investment in the new academic year and been responsible for 2 successful referenda and the largest number of Guild Councillors ever.
Ruth held the first 24 hour chairty event and won praise from the Association of Graduate Recruiters for the quality of our students development work.
Irene raised over £1000 for World AIDS day and is working with the Uni Medical Practice to implement the Access campaign.
Sally has supported students through a Hall Closure, held the biggest first year elections ever and is close to securing City Council support for a housing accreditation scheme.
Peter took the largest delegation to a national demonstration ever and has created our school liaison group that has seen the student rep scheme increase its trained volunteers by 500%
Hannah has held a referendum of the AU and created a service level agreement that has benefitted students and the University.

Laura is working with the University to create an Access and Home Students Strategy
Tomi is working towards our biggest ever multicultual week
Hayden is working with students suffering course closures and access issues to make consultation a right of all satellite students.
Phillip will deliver the largest Holocaust Memorial Day event ever and spearhead our local elections campaign.
Naush has raised money for breast cancer in Pink Fab and will be taking coaches of women activists to London in March for the Dignity! Period Rally
Jenny has campaigned and led the BMEA from 0 activists to a full committee with contested Guild Council seats
James has contacted SSCS to increase provision for disabled students
Sid has led a NBTS protest in the City Centre that made local news, in a campaign that will appparently report significant success soon.
Nick is leading the Guild through the SoundImpact scheme which is a NUSSL run accrediatation which makes us address our ethical and environmental impact
Brad has actually represented postgrads in a strongly contested election and continues to improve the reputation of his position.

So, in a shock announcement, the Exec DO work hard and are making changes for students.

All in all we've done well. I haven't listed my own activities because that wasn't really the point of me writing. But the stuff I am doing alongside my colleagues is important, exciting and will be the biggest difference to the Guild and the University in decade. In the middle of these huge restructures, I want to make our priorities of academic representation, student development and student support respected in the Uni and among our volunteers, and I want to carry on doing that for another year.

And for the sake of accuracy - the Labour Club doesn't have official candidates at all cos that is a bit weird. And membership is £4 Simon - you just get to be a member of 4 organisations for that money because membership of the club gets you membership of the party, Young Labour and Labour Students too so it might be getting confusing that way...and julien - we ARE in a market education, as much as we didn't ask or want one. Admitting it exists doesn't mean we like it but denying it exists means we can't do anything about it.

Email me, please, if you like the prose or want to ask any questions, because I am running for a second year as President of the Guild of Students. I'm feeling a bit epic so you may even get a response...
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and julien - we ARE in a market education, as much as we didn't ask or want one. Admitting it exists doesn't mean we like it but denying it exists means we can't do anything about it.


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because our reputation is solid and valued by society because we take widening access and participation seriously in an education market.


Your statement on bucf seemed to suggest you didn't mind it, or you quite liked it. It certainly didn't seem to suggest you were against it. But I am guessing your opinions on the marketisation of our education would be similar to what I am guessing your opinions on Globalisation are, that is, that it is an inevitable thing that just have to work with and shut up about. But hey maybe I read too much into your bucf statement and am assuming far too much. And having now read the other thread this post is probably also going to annoy you.

In answer to your continued at annoyance at being compared to Downing Street, it is not orders or direct policy or wars. It's attitude, methods/tactics and broad policy where i see similarities. Subway and Spar being a prime examples, very similar in my mind to the government's PFI/PPP projects, in ideal if not in small print legal shite. But you will counter by saying there is nothing you can really do about that cos of what you said in that other thread about money and guild legal issues.

And for the record, I have never said that exec don't work hard, or that I think they are incompetent. I just disagree with the policies of members of the exec. My post above was about the arguments for and against the two-year term, and wasn't an anti-exec rant, I thought it was reasonably considered actually.
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Ruth held the first 24 hour chairty event

What about FootAid?
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Ruth held the first 24 hour chairty event

What about FootAid?


Well if it is as badly thought by the finances as you always suggest, it's probably been swept under the carpet Wink
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In answer to your continued at annoyance at being compared to Downing Street, it is orders or direct policy or wars. It's attitude, methods/tactics and broad policy where i see similarities. Subway and Spar being a prime examples, very similar in my mind to the government's PFI/PPP projects, in ideal if not in small print legal shite.


I really can't see the sense in that Julien. I've never heard of a 25 year old mortgage being taken on a sandwich. I oppose PFI because its too expensive for too little and we'll just pass the problem onto our kids. I don't think students' unions should be a development centre, representation hub and a delicatesan. there is a point where we are perfectly OK to say 'this is someone else's job' and I think that it can start with bread products. If you think the most pressing failure of the Guild is that it works in the world we're in, I'm happy to put my hand up. I want to change that world but not pretend that it is better to fight the impossible than deal with what is in front of you.
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So, in a shock announcement, the Exec DO work hard and are making changes for students.


Now now no need to be sarcastic, my attack was on NOLS stooges like you, not on many other members of the exec who you named. I didnt even say you were not working hard. My suggestion was simply to replace the NOLS stooges and other similar neer dowells . Im also as sad as to be quite proud that ive introduced the word NOLS into this forum. Its an important word, and it represents everything that is wrong with our student unionism.

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Or tell me how they think all the people in NOLS, NUS and so forth are lining up Cabinet jobs and fixing General Election results years in the future to get them there? It'd be a secret worth knowing.


Come on! No one says they can fix elections , but you know as well as i do that the student movement feeds into politics (of course! ), and good behaviour here wins points for later on Smile. Where is ol' Richard Angell at the moment eh?

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And for the sake of accuracy - the Labour Club doesn't have official candidates at all cos that is a bit weird.


Its already been said: public secret. I get my knowledge first hand anyway, even if i do forget names.

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I don't think students' unions should be a development centre, representation hub and a delicatesan.


The union didnt run the catering in the guild... and no one suggested that they should. I quite agree that a union doesnt need to replicate the functions of a 'delicatesan' (snide dig at a food outlet which serves a wide range of quality, healthy food? ). The question was that, seeing as the union had a say in what was to replace the uni catering why did it opt for subway? Could we not of chosen something which would have actually furthered the aims of the union itself by virute of the outlet simply doing business there?

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we ARE in a market education, as much as we didn't ask or want one.


If YOU dont want one why are you engaging with it? If you genuinely believe that an education market is bad then there is a national student union movement which would like your support in the fight against it, rather than your acceptance of it, and a whole country of under-privileged young people who will miss out on a university education because the party you implicitly support are reducing their social mobility from an education by frightening them away with the prospect of huge debts.

What i dislike about your posts (you may have been able to tell i dont like them) is your self righteousness. People on these forums (oh, they are individuals by the way, many of whom you know personally as such, not a malign faceless entity known as the radish ) are not just armchair critics, we are just as impassioned about fighting for student representation (and many other issues) as you are, and we act on it as well...and you know it! Im not going to be subdued by a list of achievements which , almost by definition, you cant be criticised for. That isnt discussion or engagement! Its almost mockery of the position of the democrat, to have their engagement matched with pride and egotism. All you and peter m ever do is come on here and list your achievements in response to criticism and questions, phrases and buzz words which define your good characters, your indefensible nature (and if you cant report anything substantial of your own - other peoples). We have commended you in the past for things that people amongst us believe you have done right and we will continue to do so in future.
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we ARE in a market education, as much as we didn't ask or want one.


If YOU dont want one why are you engaging with it?


I think that THIS is what I dislike about your posts (because you've probably also picked up that I'm not a huge fan either) is your self-righteousness. I think we are both guilty of what we accuse. I KNOW everyone has passion about student issues and wider social issues. I just get continually annoyed by the statement that any view alternative to mine must be a good one, by sheer virtue that its an alternative and I obey the Downing Street Student Union Office orders, sent to me by bluetooth to the chip in my brain.

I engage because its there. Its very hard to engage with something non-existent and I am a long and hard campaigner for widening participation, but you HAVE to do that looking at what Birmingham offers in scholarships etc because I can improve those. My ability to rewrite an Act of Parliament is quite low, but I can work with the University and I do engage in that area - I'd be failing if I was stubbornly purist but not realistically campaigning.

Peter and I DO engage with these forums in a disproportionate way that is, at least honest. I don't believe I've ever run away from addressing criticism of myself, I just get fed up when these forums contain nothing else. If there has been commendation without the NOLSie proviso, then please draw my attention to it.

I've always wanted a good relationship with alternative political views. I don't post to the Tories and the Radish for my health. I am puzzled however by the Bush like attitude that I must either be with you or against you, and that you will never change your mind about anything. I always say that you have NO IDEA about my ethical or environmental policies or history - you appear to have made one up. So how has your opinion arisen> This is like playground politics
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