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Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

naivehottie — Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:31 pm

Author: naivehottie

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:31 pm

Sazzle wrote:

U know just because she said it doesnt mean that a mens association has to be set up right?

if you really feel the need to then go ahead ..... its perfectly possible with enough momentum behind it rather than constantly goin over the same points and doing nothing and effectively getting nowhere.

No I know, don't think it's a good idea BUT it was a reason to why there isn't a men's officer (why should it be a women's officer's problem). A men's officer would be a problem as it is not the point of a liberation officer.

As for men's association, bad idea as men's liberation is not necessary BUT there should be a men specific welfare provision (as men and women have equal but often different welfare needs in my opinion), e.g. as a sub-committee of student advice, as this is the only function of an association (one of many) that would be relevant to male students. Individual campaigns would be necessary on campaigns but that doesn't mean an association is needed.

Not that I feel it is worth my while setting up a Student Advice (or wherever) men's welfare committee but it is arguably an area often overlooked by people who fear it will be used by people (who don't understand how liberation works) to try to justify an association.

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

Teapotboy — Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:35 am

Author: Teapotboy

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:35 am

Personally I believe in autonomous liberation and I think only men should post on this thread

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

Sazzle — Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:39 am

Author: Sazzle

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:39 am

naivehottie wrote:

when someone asked why there was a women's officer but not a men's officer (a bit different to an association but related). She just said 'because no men have tried to create one, she doesn't care if there is one or not as she's a woman so she's interested in the women's officer position'. Something along those lines but sounded very impressive when she said it

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

naivehottie — Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:45 pm

Author: naivehottie

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:45 pm

when someone asked why there was a women's officer but not a men's officer (a bit different to an association but related). She just said 'because no men have tried to create one, she doesn't care if there is one or not as she's a woman so she's interested in the women's officer position'. Something along those lines but sounded very impressive when she said it

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

Teapotboy — Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:57 pm

Author: Teapotboy

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:57 pm

So what's the answer? As someone who couldn't be arsed to go... from Hamburg to Brum

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

naivehottie — Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:24 pm

Author: naivehottie

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:24 pm

yeah not saying it's a good idea, but her response was still great

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

higuy — Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:53 pm

Author: higuy

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:53 pm

hahahahahahaha. get real! Its never gonna happen.

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

Oktober — Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:51 pm

Author: Oktober

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:51 pm

way to resurrect the most ancient thread on the forum.

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

naivehottie — Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:37 pm

Author: naivehottie

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:37 pm

I think Kiran answered this question very well yesterday

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

ZiggyMarley — Fri May 26, 2006 7:47 pm

Author: ZiggyMarley

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 7:47 pm

Silvia wrote:

Sazzle wrote:

I cant go into as much detail as I would like I have to study .... unlike some it seems. But if you want to talk after wednesday about it more than welcome. I havent had a good debate in a while.

Yeah same here.. one more exam to go and then I'm finally officially back to serious and proper debating mode on these boards!!

You've just been talking on your video link with your family! Lol. Good luck with the last exam!

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

Silvia — Fri May 26, 2006 6:10 pm

Author: Silvia

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 6:10 pm

Sazzle wrote:

I cant go into as much detail as I would like I have to study .... unlike some it seems. But if you want to talk after wednesday about it more than welcome. I havent had a good debate in a while.

Yeah same here.. one more exam to go and then I'm finally officially back to serious and proper debating mode on these boards!!

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

Sazzle — Fri May 26, 2006 3:00 pm

Author: Sazzle

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:00 pm

ZiggyMarley wrote:

Dear Prudence wrote:

ZiggyMarley wrote:

Just seen on the news another case of a guy being ripped off in the divorce courts. The couple had been married only three years and he had to give his ex-wife �5 million and �250,000 a year. Add this to the McCartney case where that goldigger Heather may indeed get many many millions and I think there might be another case of men getting a hard bargain. But hey most people on this board don't see this as a problem, lol.

What are you talking about? Do you actually know what you're talking about? Have you read the details of the case? The judge was a man as well so you can't imply this is some sort of feminist conspiracy. And whatever the truth, there's no way you can know whether Heather Mills is a 'goldigger' or not.

Does it matter who the judge was. I wasn't saying it was the judge's 'fault' merely that divorce laws seem (and I say seem because I do not know law) to favour women. I am sure that many people agree.

And of course I don't KNOW that Heather McCartney is a golddigger but no-one knows anything about celebrities apart from second hand reports so surely we can't ever comment on any celebs. And again I am sure that many people believe she is, whether or not that is true.

I did an exam specifically on Divorce law yesterday and I feel that without meaning to sound unecessarily harsh, that to say its sided towards women is totally unwarranted. In fact if I went into detail the law is NOT equal at all. In most cases its is biased towards men and women seem to get a sore deal. Grr I hate it when people proclaim the facts and don't have a clue.

For example... when divorce proceedings commence the law is trying to get an equal balance into what a person puts into a relationship as to what they get back. For instance where a woman may not contribute towards the financial aspects they still gain equitable and legal rights in regards of property and financial aspects. This also occurs in a large proportion of cases relating to men. Whilst, it may seem "unfair" that large amounts of money is spent through divorce proceedings many people actually have post nuptual (i cant's spell) agreements and disputes are vvery rare.

I cant go into as much detail as I would like I have to study .... unlike some it seems. But if you want to talk after wednesday about it more than welcome. I havent had a good debate in a while.

Sarah

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

higuy — Fri May 26, 2006 12:29 pm

Author: higuy

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 12:29 pm

ZiggyMarley wrote:

hahahaha

Ziggy would it not be better to find out what the law says in these circumstances? Invariably the news will shows the unfair cases, if 99% of the time the law was fair we would not hear of it.

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

ZiggyMarley — Thu May 25, 2006 9:31 pm

Author: ZiggyMarley

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 9:31 pm

Teapotboy wrote:

ZiggyMarley wrote:

And of course I don't KNOW that Heather McCartney is a golddigger but no-one knows anything about celebrities apart from second hand reports so surely we can't ever comment on any celebs. And again I am sure that many people believe she is, whether or not that is true.

It is true - I read so in Redbrick

The 'Brick said that!

Re: Why don't we have a Men's Association?

Teapotboy — Thu May 25, 2006 9:09 pm

Author: Teapotboy

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 9:09 pm

ZiggyMarley wrote:

It is true - I read so in Redbrick