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| Teapotboy
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| Dear Prudence wrote: | | It's pretty interesting that a forum full of people who are dedicated to helping their starving, exploited, bloody-fingered brothers and sisters around the world, most of whom survive on less than $2 a day, are also the first ones to whinge on and on about the oh so TERRIBLE situation of the poor little rich kiddies in Edgbaston. |
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| JulienP
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Dear Prudence wrote: | | It's pretty interesting that a forum full of people who are dedicated to helping their starving, exploited, bloody-fingered brothers and sisters around the world, most of whom survive on less than $2 a day, are also the first ones to whinge on and on about the oh so TERRIBLE situation of the poor little rich kiddies in Edgbaston. |
So we should let HAS get away with it cos there are people worse off? Is that what you're saying? This is a forum to discuss all issues relevant to students as far as I am aware. If you note, there is plenty of criticism of shell in other threads on these forums, who certainly do f**k shit up in the developing world.
Ok, so it aint the world's biggest humanitarian crisis, I admit. Heck it aint even a humanitarian crisis. It is a very provincial local problem, and in terms of world geo-politics microscopically small. But to be fair, I don't think HAS has made students' difficult out of some sort of desire to educate the freshers and show solidarity with the starving in developing countries. In fact I am willing to bet that HAS doesn't have fair trade products and sources its food from companies who fly their goods all their way round the world five times, contributing to global warming which as we all know will affect (heck affects now) the developing countries first.
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| Dear Prudence
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| JulienP wrote: |
So we should let HAS get away with it cos there are people worse off? Is that what you're saying? |
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| Quote: | This is a forum to discuss all issues relevant to students as far as I am aware. If you note, there is plenty of criticism of shell in other threads on these forums, who certainly do f**k shit up in the developing world.
Ok, so it aint the world's biggest humanitarian crisis, I admit. Heck it aint even a humanitarian crisis. It is a very provincial local problem, and in terms of world geo-politics microscopically small. But to be fair, I don't think HAS has made students' difficult out of some sort of desire to educate the freshers and show solidarity with the starving in developing countries. In fact I am willing to bet that HAS doesn't have fair trade products and sources its food from companies who fly their goods all their way round the world five times, contributing to global warming which as we all know will affect (heck affects now) the developing countries first. |
I wasn't saying that no one is devoting enough time to fighting the case for people who are worse off. And I wasn't saying that HAS are ethical in any way. In fact, I wasn't saying anything about HAS.
I will say that HAS have failed pretty abysmally in their job, but on the other hand, they have come up with the best solution possible for students, and they're getting a pretty good deal.
But all this is irrelevant. My point is that let's get it in perspective (as you just did). See Editorial 1297...
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| Teapotboy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| HAS do actually do fair trade coffee in all their outlets and chocolate and such like. To give them some credit. |
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| JulienP
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But all this is irrelevant. My point is that let's get it in perspective (as you just did). See Editorial 1297... |
I actually read that editorial, on your blog as it happens, (they don't distribute Redbrick in Dresden, can't think why:lol: ) very good, it made me laugh a lot. But my point is this, we can still criticise but at the same time keeping things in perspective. I doubt you would find one person who had a go at HAS in this thread who would say students are poor or worse off than people in developing countries.
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| Dear Prudence
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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I don't disagree. In fact I agree. I think it's right to criticise when unfair things happen. BUT, look at the amount of text, and the violence of reply, and the sense of utter outrage in some posts in this thread. That is what I think is out of perspective.
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| Teapotboy
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| To be fair though, Oktober and Sazzle have always been hyserical old women. |
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| JulienP
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Dear Prudence wrote: | | I don't disagree. In fact I agree. I think it's right to criticise when unfair things happen. BUT, look at the amount of text, and the violence of reply, and the sense of utter outrage in some posts in this thread. That is what I think is out of perspective. |
Fairymuff, and I actually do agree, and I recognise that I may have gone over the top slightly, but in my defence, I will just as vehemently criticise corporations (if not even more vehemently) who mess up developing countries. Also, what can I say, unfortunately people are more concerned about what happens in their back yard, than the worse off thousands of miles away.
P&Pers had a similar attitude to yours when Gary Hughes went to a meeting last year during his election campaign, and started his speech with "students are poor..." to a room full of people who campaign on developing issues, half of whom had been to developing countries and seen real poverty. Hilarious, he never lived it down poor guy. In relation to Britain and British people some students are poor, which I think is what he was trying to say. But like you say it's all about perspective.
Now what were we arguing about, what can I say, I just like verbally sparring with you Miss King.
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| Rob
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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am i the only one who laughed a little when they found out chamberlain was being knocked down?
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| Sazzle
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| Teapotboy wrote: | | To be fair though, Oktober and Sazzle have always been hyserical old women. |
from the guy that doesnt have to help the hundreds of people upset and pissed off about moving. 
While "the spoil little rich kids" have money this doesnt mean that they should have their rights taken away from them or the hardship they face lessened because they happen to have some way of getting through life. In fact Chamberlain is one of the cheapest accommodations (uni owned) on campus so we're probably talking about the people that dont have too much money.
I think we shouldn't take away from their situation do u not remember being away from your parents for the first time, making friends - would it not have been distressing to be moved away from them all and have nothing that you can do about it.
Oh an last point - Chamberlain cant be knocked down its a listed building - in fact the eyesore has to stay and be renovated for new students in the future to appreciate |
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| Sazzle
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:37 am Post subject: Chamberlain |
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| Teapotboy wrote: | | To be fair though, Oktober and Sazzle have always been hyserical old women. |
from the guy that doesnt have to help the hundreds of people upset and pissed off about moving.
While "the spoil little rich kids" have money this doesnt mean that they should have their rights taken away from them or the hardship they face lessened because they happen to have some way of getting through life. In fact Chamberlain is one of the cheapest accommodations (uni owned) on campus so we're probably talking about the people that dont have too much money.
I think we shouldn't take away from their situation do u not remember being away from your parents for the first time, making friends - would it not have been distressing to be moved away from them all and have nothing that you can do about it.
Oh an last point - Chamberlain cant be knocked down its a listed building - in fact the eyesore has to stay and be renovated for new students in the future to appreciate |
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| Teapotboy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Again for a law student you have a tenuous grip on language. They do not have "rights" to live in exactly the same place they moved in to. And when I lived in halls I was in the cheapest halls but that doesn't make me anything less than middle-class which by definition all students are. |
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| JulienP
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Having thought about this a little more, I must say the reason I was outraged about HAS was more the desruption to students' social lives and development of social networks, than any material problems. A place may be shit, but this doesn't matter as long as you can stay there for a reasonable amount of time, long enough to get to know people and make friends. It is not what you have and where you are, but who you are with. (Says the fella who was in an en-suite hall in first year, ah good old hunter court!)
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| higuy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| JulienP wrote: | | I was outraged about HAS was more the desruption to students' social lives and development of social networks, than any material problems. A place may be shit, but this doesn't matter as long as you can stay there for a reasonable amount of time, long enough to get to know people and make friends. |
That was exactly my gripe. In chambo last year it was shite and we all knew but i think there was a better spirit in the hall because of it! |
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| Rob
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Oh. Is any part of it being knocked down? I'll be honest I was more than hopeful...not even a little bit? i'll be happy to provide free labour
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