Hizb-ut Tahrir

Guest · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:07 pm Post subject: Hizb-ut Tahrir

Did anyone else see last nights newsnight feature on Hizb-ut Tahrir, in particular the bit about university students/societies. This jogged my memory back to an article in the Gaurdian earlier in the year about universities where 'radical groups' had been detected - and UOB was mentioned. It got me thinking, would the Guild know if societies invited radical speakers onto campus. What does the guild do about radical groups on campus? Does it know what societies are up to?

Just wondering. Question

Guest · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject:

Should have added that the government wish to add the to the list of prescribed organisations banned in Britian (its already banned across the the Middle East and Europe). And also, the media representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain actually graduated from Birmingham - so i would think that they have existed in some form on campus at some point(??)

naivehottie · Black Bloc

I personally would hope they would stop genuine extremist groups, but one of the motions to Guild Council seems to oppose plans for the uni to stop extremist groups. Although the plan for unis was slightly racist the motion goes too far and seems to suggest letting Muslims be extremists and claims it's racist to stop it. Personally I think all forms of extremism should be stopped regardless of race/religion.

Then again nothing was done to stop George Galloway coming and doing an anti-semitic speech, so I doubt speakers would be stopped at least within reason.

JulienP · Black Bloc

If you're on about the motion I think you're on about, it seemed fine to me, something I would vote for, were I still a GCer.
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gabs · Black Bloc

Did you listen to his speech naivehottie?

Please point out specific anti-semitic remarks in his speech
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naivehottie · Black Bloc

Terry went and said he found it anti-semitic and he's not a big fan of Israel.

gabs · Black Bloc

I'm not sure he did say that Jewish people have blood on their hands, in fact I'm fairly sure that he didn't. He said that the Israeli flag which people were proudly waving outside was covered in blood, which is true, especially in the context of the massacre in Gaza those recent days

His point over boycotting Israeli goods is perfectly justified. As he said, during Apartheid-era South Africa most reasonable people would not dream of buying goods from Sth Africa and therefore supporting that regime. Neither should people be supporting the current Israeli regime which you are if you buy goods from that country.

If you and your friends want to sloppily equate being anti-Israel to being anti-semitic then thats fine but that doesn't mean Galloway is also unable to make the distinction
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naivehottie · Black Bloc

I don't think it's fair to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa. I don't agree with all of Israel's actions, but they're far from the country with the worst human rights record. For example Saddam Hussein's treatment of the Kurds, to give just one example, although not relevent now, there are many others.
In Israel Palestinians have full citizenship and parties calling for the end of Israel can stand in elections, unlike in Syria where only Muslims can stand. While Israel may overreact to terrorists they also have to be careful they don't look weak as a lot of the countries around them are led by people who want to destroy Israel, and would quite happily kill every Israeli. However, it's clearly a two way thing, neither side being totally innocent.
Whether setting up Israel in the current spot is a mistake is another question, but today's Israelis can hardly be blamed for that.
Being anti-Israel is not anti-semitic in itself, it can be when taken to extremes, and if you want to boycott Israeli goods fair enough, but to be consistent you should boycott goods from a lot of other countries.

gabs · Black Bloc

So you retract your comment about the speech being anti-semitic?
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naivehottie · Black Bloc

No, as I've heard that it was, but ti depends how you define it. If it wasn't then it was right on the edge. I don't think being anti-Israel like you lot are is anti-semitic as such, but I feel George Galloway certainly is.